It is sad to see pro-government "wolves" as the most likely ones to speak out when human gov't powers or "authorities" are challenged. As if they (ok, you, HazelGroveWolf, in this instance) actually want to be governed and licenced to death.

It's pretty easy to throw stones at someone who actually represents what God told us of Him and His Laws.

Are there so few God-fearing men out there that we mainly have insults to read in these forum replies?

Your example of Peter Knowles is only a slight-of-hand change of subject. Typical NWO methods. Insult, and then distract.
No regards to the good intentions of the lady you so easily insulted.

Debra, your message(s) will reach the right people. Obviously we will have to put up with the wolf attacks. Or simply ignore them. God bless you.

 

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark*, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Licence no's, addresses, ID no's, passport no's, credit card no's, bank acc no's, social security no's, PIN numbers, etc.

Try to buy any of significant value without these numbers and see how far you get.

The beast of Revelation is here; and government is the servant of the beast; making sure that everyone is numbered in some way!!!

Why tagged "motoring"?

I don't want to read this religious stuff!

"Why tagged motoring?"

It is illegal (by God's Law) to license, register, fine and extort funds with illegal, made-up law.

Who are the "owners" is the question for the people, allowing
themselves to be so controlled.

Enforcing justice and rightful behavior is (supposed to be) in the hands of the people by Law.

These contributions are not about religion. This is about God's Law given for men to enforce.

Mods - you have just closed a thread that had a five star rating that was entirely about restoration of FREEDOM i.e. protection from bureaucrats/self intrested politicians . Yet you let a fringe religious group hijack a forum where some decent debate has taken place.
Inconsistant moderation suggests bias.

Do you really want any old maniac able to legally store explosives?

HazelGroveWolf is right. Cose the thread down.

It is evident that permits, licensing have not made for safer living, rather increase litigation.
The issue here is to bring the power back to the people, having forfeited the responsibility.
Laws are in place (God's Law), that if followed, guarantee to protect by deterring a crime.
Misunderstood is the belief that God's Law restrict, when licensing, etc. restrict us more.
My contributions are not for condemnation, and are in hope for
Contributors, Gov't, to see.

Abolishing all legal privileges for all religions would be nice.

I think it depends what it is. Licensing cars makes very, very good sense; cars are potentially lethal; licensing mobility scooters (which are basically just powered wheelchairs with some additional safety factors) makes much less sense, but that is also now the law.

The poster is saying, people have a right to govern themselves by the laws given by God. Until people actually interpret, "Thou shalt not kill" as never, ever, driving a car unless it has just been serviced and the potential driver has passed a regulation driving test - and, potentially, a proficency test within the year - we really do need cars to be licensed.

(Crime rocketed when cars first became available. They were an essentially anonomous way for criminals to operate outside areas where they could be recognised. Now, they are licensed and numbered - and even if a law was passed tomorrow that all cars were again limited to one single model of black Ford, all identical, we might have an upswing in crime but not to the same extent - because cars are licensed, regulated and numbered.)

Historically, alcohol used to be sold on every street - "Drunk for a penny, dead drunk for tuppence". Publicans were licensed, later.

 Unless we want to go back to the days of drunken 9 year olds, expensive drinks diluted or "cut" with dangerous adulterants, etc. we need the licensing laws on alcohol.

As for guns and explosives, I wouldn't trust MYSELF with those because I would not know enough about them to handle them safely. Leave it to the people who are trained and licenced to handle such things.

All very well IF you believe there is a God.

Dear Shianna,

Thank you for your contribution.

To those who question the existence of God, I would say to seriously take a look to find Him.
In this contribution the reference is made to "owners". God's Laws protect us from deception.

"If" we are not following The Law of God given to protect us, then consider what we do follow.
Consider whom the man-made laws benefit. Extreme wealth is a prime example of "owners".
Perhaps begin with "castle" owners, and examine the behaviour allowing gross excess as that.

The government has kindly provided this site for the purpose of the people to express a need.
People have God-given inherent rights, regardless whether they believe in God or choose not to.

My contributions are to express that which through legislation is taken away from all people.
This is not a religious debate, and is an opportunity for people to see what is going on here.

Kindly,
Debra

Driving is a priviledge, not a right, and you have to earn it by proving that you are capable, both mentally and physically, of the task at hand. Removing the requirement for a driving license would allow many people who really ought to be on the bus to bumble out onto the roads causing chaos and carnage. It seems many people have forgotten that driving is a skill and not everyone will be able to do it.

The issue of licensing is minimally education-oriented, and mostly a collection of revenue.
The argument, that licensing makes for safer driving, is statistically inaccurate, and false.
Community-based centers might assist with monitoring driving allowance without excess.
Families are to be a source of education, yet, people have
increasingly turned elsewhere.

I have not taken the time to read all of the responses, but unfortunate though it my be, certain activities need to be restricted to those who are appropriately skilled to do so. It would be nice if only those who knew how to operate firearms safely and were responsible citizens would choose to access firearms, for example, but this would not be the case, hence their use must be restricted. The same is true for driving, although the current system of licensing to drive is in my opinion in need of reform.

So, David Copeland should have been able to buy and store as much gunpowder, shotguns and rocket fuel in his house as he liked, Debra?

@Debra

Stop the god BS, God in itself is a form of control! Very hypicritical!
You break gods law and you go to hell for eternity.
You break the gov law and you get a chance to change.

Which sounds better?

What god as well? What religion is the 'right' one and which are the fakes? Personally I follow the Jedi religion and don't believe there is a 'god'. Sciensology(sp?) belives in science, not some mytical man in the clouds who just cant handle money...

As for removing licences, they are there for the safty of the public.
A driving licence will mean that the person has the knowledge to safly drive a killing machine, or would you like a family member ran over by an untrained driver before you reconsider?

There are licences on owning exotic pets, this is also for the pets safty and to help stop animal cruilty. Also dangerious animals, wouldnt be nice if the next doors new 'cat' bit my leg off cause they wanst feeding the lion enough.

I'd like to ask you, how much have you thought this through? Or was this post made on the blind faith of religion, which may I remind you caused horrendus crimes against other religions bassed on belief.

"The argument, that licensing makes for safer driving, is statistically inaccurate, and false."

Whats the stats then to prove this "Statistically inaccuracy"?

"In 2007, 646 pedestrians were killed in road accidents in Great Britain; this was 22 per cent of all deaths from road accidents, a 78 per cent decrease from 40 years ago when pedestrian fatalities were 2,964. "

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1208

"1963

New grouping systems are introduced for driving tests and driving licences and a distinction is made between the test of competence and the test of fitness.

The Road Traffic Act 1962 permits riders to ride motorcycles of more than 250cc after passing their test.

Mopeds are placed in their own vehicle group for driving test purposes."

http://www.bigredl.co.uk/Us[…]riving%20Test%20History.htm

Is it a coincidence then that the drastic drop in deaths coincide with the time that testing took off for driving?

"Families are to be a source of education, yet, people have
increasingly turned elsewhere."

Maybe cause their families can only teach them so much? they may not be very capable teachers?

People can hit limits on what knowledge they have and can pass on, the same people can also have time restrictions due to work.

I'm studing for my BSc, of course I need to turn elsewhere as no-one in my family has the knowldge to teach me.
There is nothing wrong with seeking advise from people outside your family, there is nothing wrong with admitting your family dosn't know everything about the universe.

One of the reasons why people increasingly turn elsewhere is because people are aware that their families can only help them start there journy in learning and it is up to themselves to seek out the information from multiple means, not just relatives.

@ Debra,

You said and I quote: "The argument, that licensing makes for safer driving, is statistically inaccurate, and false."

I've asked for these stats and yet you've ignored me.

I've asked you "Is it a coincidence then that the drastic drop in deaths coincide with the time that testing took off for driving?" and yet you've ignored me.

I've asked "What religion is the 'right' one and which are the fakes?" and yet you've ignored me.

Is gods law about ignoreing anyone who questions it?

I also have a question about Christianity if you would be so kind to answer me (for the 1st time).

How come Horus who was born 3000 years BC (Before CHRIST) had the same historical refrences to Christianities Jesus CHRIST?

The simularities include (but not all);
Being born of a virgin mother,
Becoming a 'teacher' at the same age,
Same ammount of followers(disciples),
Dead for 3 days then resurected.

Did the devil have the foresight to come before Christ to lay deception?

Also how is the christian view on dinosaurs? The same creatures we have factual evidence about but existed before man was on this planet.

"The Sixth Day
Vast numbers of land animals. Man. From the man, woman (humans today are just now discovering how to genetically alter fertilized embryos, and even to create one human from the tissue of another - known as "cloning"). (Genesis 1:24-31)"

Or did they have a 1 day history before being extinct?
"The Fifth Day

Great numbers of birds and sea creatures. God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." (Genesis 1:20-23)"

@ Debra,

You said and I quote: "The argument, that licensing makes for safer driving, is statistically inaccurate, and false."

I've asked for these stats and yet you've ignored me.

I've asked you "Is it a coincidence then that the drastic drop in deaths coincide with the time that testing took off for driving?" and yet you've ignored me.

I've asked "What religion is the 'right' one and which are the fakes?" and yet you've ignored me.

Is gods law about ignoreing anyone who questions it?

I also have a question about Christianity if you would be so kind to answer me (for the 1st time).

How come Horus who was born 3000 years BC (Before CHRIST) had the same historical refrences to Christianities Jesus CHRIST?

The simularities include (but not all);
Being born of a virgin mother,
Becoming a 'teacher' at the same age,
Same ammount of followers(disciples),
Dead for 3 days then resurected.

Did the devil have the foresight to come before Christ to lay deception?

Also how is the christian view on dinosaurs? The same creatures we have factual evidence about but existed before man was on this planet.

"The Sixth Day
Vast numbers of land animals. Man. From the man, woman (humans today are just now discovering how to genetically alter fertilized embryos, and even to create one human from the tissue of another - known as "cloning"). (Genesis 1:24-31)"

Or did they have a 1 day history before being extinct?
"The Fifth Day

Great numbers of birds and sea creatures. God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." (Genesis 1:20-23)"

@ Debra,

You said and I quote: "The argument, that licensing makes for safer driving, is statistically inaccurate, and false."

I've asked for these stats and yet you've ignored me.

I've asked you "Is it a coincidence then that the drastic drop in deaths coincide with the time that testing took off for driving?" and yet you've ignored me.

I've asked "What religion is the 'right' one and which are the fakes?" and yet you've ignored me.

Is gods law about ignoreing anyone who questions it?

I also have a question about Christianity if you would be so kind to answer me (for the 1st time).

How come Horus who was born 3000 years BC (Before CHRIST) had the same historical refrences to Christianities Jesus CHRIST?

The simularities include (but not all);
Being born of a virgin mother,
Becoming a 'teacher' at the same age,
Same ammount of followers(disciples),
Dead for 3 days then resurected.

Did the devil have the foresight to come before Christ to lay deception?

Also how is the christian view on dinosaurs? The same creatures we have factual evidence about but existed before man was on this planet.

"The Sixth Day
Vast numbers of land animals. Man. From the man, woman (humans today are just now discovering how to genetically alter fertilized embryos, and even to create one human from the tissue of another - known as "cloning"). (Genesis 1:24-31)"

Or did they have a 1 day history before being extinct?
"The Fifth Day

Great numbers of birds and sea creatures. God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." (Genesis 1:20-23)"

Stop trying to convert everyone, Debra!