Action and Smoking on Health (ASH) is one of the most powerful charities in the land, lobbying MPs and powerful Medical groups to adopt their position. However, ASH is heavily funded by the pharmaceutical industry (who manufacture nicotine replacement products), and State funding. Whether this funding be direct or channelled via the NHS or other charities such as Cancer Research UK and the BHF, the end result is that most of its multi-million pound budget comes from the taxpayer. In reality, last year, this charity only received £4975 in voluntary donations from the public (and a single £10,000 legacy) and its Scottish branch only had 0.2% of its funding come from voluntary donation. Under section 70 of the Charities Act (2006) it is permitted for Ministers to "give financial assistance to any charitable, benevolent or philanthropic institution in respect of any of the institution’s activities which directly or indirectly benefit the whole or any part of England (whether or not they also benefit any other area)." What this means in practice is that a Charity can be funded by any number of vested interests and STILL claim huge amounts of taxpayer’s money as long as it claim that it is “working in the public benefit.” Organisations like ASH can therefore maintain their charitable status despite having demonstrable links with the Pharmaceutical industry that fund it and benefit from its actions. It also means that taxpayers’ money can be channelled, without question, to any “charity” that can claim to be working in the public interest. This is not only a waste of taxpayer’s money, it can mean that charities can become little more than unaccountable quangos working as unofficial arms of the Government. Charities like ASH should either represent their true popularity with the public by attempting to survive on public donations or they should be wholly funded by the pharmaceutical industry so that everyone is clear on its background and agenda... and thus lose its charitable status. When the Leader of this organisation brags in a national newspaper about performing "a confidence trick" on Parliament with regard to the Smoking Ban, the legitimacy of taxpayers' money being used to fund them needs to be addressed. Given the disproportionate level of power this organisation wields and given our straitened economic times, all State funding to this organisation should be withdrawn, and repealing section 70 of the Charities Act 2006 would accomplish this.

Why the contribution is important

Charities forced to act as charities rather than as unofficial Government departments or pseudo-Quangos. Millions of pounds saved, ASH’s accounts showing that last year they were given £142,000 by the Department of Health, £104,119 from ASH International (which is funded by pharmaceutical companies) and £117,020 from The British Heart Foundation and Cancer Research UK (CRUK is affiliated to AstraZeneca and works closely with the pharmaceutical industry).: http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/ScannedAccounts/Ends67%5C0000262067_ac_20090331_e_c.pdf Letter from ASH to Glaxo SmithKline demonstrating financial links to pharmaceutical companies: “We have worked with GSK under the auspices of the WHO-Europe Partnership Project on tobacco dependence and at various one-off opportunities. ASH was instrumental in securing greater government commitment to smoking cessation products in the NHS National Plan and we have helped with PR for both Zyban and Niquitin CQ. Our involvement with GSK staff has, I believe, been mutually beneficial. [...] ASH has a small shareholding in GSK and I will be attending with others to question you and the Chairman on this situation.” http://www.data-yard.net/science/payoffs/ash.pdf All Government funding to ASH should be withdrawn and repealing section 70 of the Charities Act 2006 would achieve this.

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jburkes
Posted by jburkes July 06, 2010 at 16:20
Please excuse the weird formatting above. It wasn't like that when I posted it.

Get rid of Section 70 of the Charities Act 2006.

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Belinda
Posted by Belinda July 06, 2010 at 16:32
what happened to all the comments and votes?

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chaswin
Posted by chaswin July 06, 2010 at 16:32
ASH and any other quango that receives taxpayers money, should be abolished at this time when cut backs are necessary.

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jburkes
Posted by jburkes July 06, 2010 at 16:37
The other thread was locked despite its having 4.1 support and being 8th on the "most commented" list.

It didn't mention specific legislation apprently, although one might suspect dark forces at play.... (much like the "smoking" tag has now disappeared from the tag cloud, I notice).

Anyway, this one now does so let's see how long it lasts....

I'm now done with this - and WILL NOT COMMENT AGAIN. Let's just see how this one runs without interference, shall we?

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TheBigYin
Posted by TheBigYin July 06, 2010 at 16:52
I agree. ASH is no more than a fake charity and deserves it's charitable status removing.

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PhilW
Posted by PhilW July 06, 2010 at 17:19
I agree. But cutting ASHs funding should just be a start. They should have their charity status revoked, their assets frozen and their activities investigated.

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dastardly
Posted by dastardly July 06, 2010 at 17:24
If this really is the reason why ASH and Acohol Concern and the rest are now so swollen with money and influence then I wholeheartedly support its repeal.

None of these organisations should be funded with my hard-earned cash. Especially now the Government is potentially cutting back on doctors and nurses. All funding to ASH and their ilk should be cut.

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TonyLondon
Posted by TonyLondon July 06, 2010 at 17:43
I fully agree with this.
And also wonder if it would cut tax payer funding to other organisations such as Smokefree NorthWest. If so, I would welcome that too.

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aparsons
Posted by aparsons July 06, 2010 at 17:58
According to The Policy Exchange, "Taxation of tobacco contributes £10 billion to HM Treasury annually; however, we calculate that the costs to society from smoking are much greater at £13.74 billion. Every cigarette smoked is costing us money."

Add to that the fact that smoking leads to the premature deaths of over 83,000 people in England in 2008, and the small amount of public money paid to ASH looks pretty good value.

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Voter
Posted by Voter July 06, 2010 at 18:04
Unfortunately I will now be deprived of an answer to my question.

@Moderators:
- why was the original suggestion kept open for so long, when it did not mention specific legislation from the outset?

- I already commented on a correction of the misspelt word "malpropism" (which I though was very entertaining) to "malapropism" in my suggestion

The more I learn about ASH, the more I am disgusted. What a charity!

 
Please repeal Section 70 of the Charities Act 2006 - Cut all public funding to ASH, remove it's charity status with immediate effect!!!!!!!!
  

  

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janeto
Posted by janeto July 06, 2010 at 18:45
I object to my taxes being used to fund this fake charity.
As a smoker who pays a fortune in tax, why should I be paying for a fake organisation to curtail my preference to be a smoker.

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janeto
Posted by janeto July 06, 2010 at 18:48
I object to my taxes being used to fund this fake charity.
As a smoker who pays a fortune in tax, why should I be paying for a fake organisation to curtail my preference to be a smoker.

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janeto
Posted by janeto July 06, 2010 at 18:48
I object to my taxes being used to fund this fake charity.
As a smoker who pays a fortune in tax, why should I be paying for a fake organisation to curtail my preference to be a smoker.

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BarneyBear
Posted by BarneyBear July 06, 2010 at 19:04
Yes agree a 100%. They have been instrumental in pushing through the Smoking Ban, based on pseudo scientific research, cherry picked statistics, with outcomes tailored to their sponsors requirements. Their motto being "Repeat a lie often enough, and people start believing it"
As was posted above by some one relating to the estimated cost of smokers on the NHS, which is another propagandistic lie spread by ASH, in reality it is more like 10% of the figure quoted previously, and in reality it is nigh impossible that it is tobacco related.

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BarneyBear
Posted by BarneyBear July 06, 2010 at 19:09
Their main sponsors being the pharmaceutical giants, and unwittingly us - the taxpayer!

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BarneyBear
Posted by BarneyBear July 06, 2010 at 19:49
Correction: As was posted above by some one relating to the estimated cost of smokers on the NHS, which is another propagandistic lie spread by ASH, in reality it is more like 10% of the figure quoted previously, and in reality it is nigh impossible to prove that the whole amount is tobacco related.

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BarneyBear
Posted by BarneyBear July 06, 2010 at 19:49
Correction: As was posted above by some one relating to the estimated cost of smokers on the NHS, which is another propagandistic lie spread by ASH, in reality it is more like 10% of the figure quoted previously, and in reality it is nigh impossible to prove that the whole amount is tobacco related.

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BarneyBear
Posted by BarneyBear July 06, 2010 at 19:49
Correction: As was posted above by some one relating to the estimated cost of smokers on the NHS, which is another propagandistic lie spread by ASH, in reality it is more like 10% of the figure quoted previously, and in reality it is nigh impossible to prove that the whole amount is tobacco related.

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me
Posted by me July 07, 2010 at 00:25
I agree

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dclemo
Posted by dclemo July 07, 2010 at 11:45
Fake charities that are no more than government or business propaganda vehicles should not be able to claim charitable status.
Any charitable body that receives more than 50% of its income from business, or national/local government should have its charitable status taken away.
This is a deception that goes against the spirit of charity and charitable giving

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dclemo
Posted by dclemo July 07, 2010 at 11:45
Fake charities that are no more than government or business propaganda vehicles should not be able to claim charitable status.
Any charitable body that receives more than 50% of its income from business, or national/local government should have its charitable status taken away.
This is a deception that goes against the spirit of charity and charitable giving

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noel
Posted by noel July 07, 2010 at 13:09
ASH UK are by their own admission, confidence tricksters. They should be banned from business and fully investigated. Meanwhile every word they utter make me proud not to be a gullible idiot to be taken in by them.

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jbrowne
Posted by jbrowne July 07, 2010 at 15:20
noel- where is this 'own admission' evidence? I can't see anything on their website claiming they are confidence tricksters.

You are either all from a tobacco pressure group or easily manipulated or fools or all three. Given that the best solution for harm reduction is increasing and developing NRT products (among other things), then makes sense that some of their funding may come from pharmaceutical products. Medicinal nicotine does not kill as many people as cigarettes.

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Voter
Posted by Voter July 07, 2010 at 16:42
I, for one, have to disappoint you - I am only a member of the public who objects strongly to fund a "charity" involuntarily:

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"The NHS can play its part in tackling the symptoms of smoking related disease as well as helping to educate the population at large about the dangers of the habit but it needs to be recognised that the rest of society also needs to play its part. It is right that politicians are engaging seriously with issues around the packaging, promotion and use of tobacco products, but this too is only a part of the solution."

"What is needed is nothing less than a society-wide effort to educate, persuade and prompt people to either give up smoking, or better still, not to take the habit up in the first place. This needs action across the public and private sectors as well as real vision and leadership from leaders across the political spectrum, where we need to build genuine cross-party consensus - we are making progress in tackling this dangerous habit but there is plenty of work still to be done."

http://www.ash.org.uk/[…]/ash-daily-news-for-04-february-2010
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"but it needs to be recognised that the rest of society also needs to play its part."
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How? By actively trying to install that smokers are the "undesirable house mates" "low social class" et al.?

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"This needs action across the public and private sectors as well as real vision and leadership from leaders across the political spectrum, where we need to build genuine cross-party consensus - we are making progress in tackling this dangerous habit but there is plenty of work still to be done."
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Sorry, I do have a problem with "charities" lobbying the government.

Also:
http://science.cancerresear[…]going-support-for-action-on

  
the last paragraph:
"The proposed activities give a sense of priorities and directions, rather than a prescriptive work programme, as ASH as a campaigning organisation needs to be able to react flexibly to developments and exploit opportunities. It is therefore crucial that we have the capacity to react to new political circumstances as they arise. In this we are very different from research organisations, so that our work programme will by necessity be general rather than specific."
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This may sound perfectly fine to some people, to me it is not.

Whilst in favour of donating to charities,(I have redirected donations now to local causes) I object to any of my being redirected to listed fake charities.

http://fakecharities.org/

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Belinda
Posted by Belinda July 07, 2010 at 19:15
ASH on bringing in the smoke-free legislation

http://www.guardian.co.uk/[…]/health.healthandwellbeing

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Voter
Posted by Voter July 08, 2010 at 01:36
"The struggle for smoke-free legislation went from nowhere to victory in a short time. It routed powerful opponents and exposed many of them as incompetent or insubstantial. It shifted public opinion from indifference to overwhelming support. Some ideas reach a point at which their time has come. But some will also often need a vigorous campaign before politicians notice the obvious."

Vigourous campaign?
Thanks, but No Thanks!

"Some ideas reach a point at which their time has come. But some will also often need a vigorous campaign before politicians notice the obvious."

What "obvious" were the politicians to notice?

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chrisw333
Posted by chrisw333 July 08, 2010 at 09:27
Agree

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cirrusminor
Posted by cirrusminor July 08, 2010 at 12:02
The one bit of truth quoted from ASH above is "we are very different from research organisations".

You're telling me!

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cirrusminor
Posted by cirrusminor July 08, 2010 at 12:13
"where is this 'own admission' evidence? I can't see anything on their website claiming they are confidence tricksters."

It's in the link posted by Belinda above.

You are either all from a tobacco pressure group or easily manipulated or fools or all three."

Ad hominem attacks are a sure sign of someone losing an argument.

"Given that the best solution for harm reduction is increasing and developing NRT products (among other things), then makes sense that some of their funding may come from pharmaceutical products."

NRT is far from the best solution - most people who give up smoking successful do it via cold turkey, while a lot of people are now using electronic cigarettes (which are not promoted by ASH).

"Medicinal nicotine does not kill as many people as cigarettes."

One would hope that it doesn't kill anybody. If it does, ASH shouldn't be promoting it.

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cirrusminor
Posted by cirrusminor July 08, 2010 at 18:21
Here's the latest wisdom from ASH, in response to Brian Binley's call for an Early Day Motion to relax the smoking laws:

"Responding to a call by a group of MPs for the re-introduction of smoking in pubs, ASH said that there was little public support for such a measure. In fact, ASH research suggests the opposite to be true - ie that smokers would welcome an extension of the smoking ban rather than a relaxation of the law.

ASH highlighted four reasons why returning to the bad old days of smoky pubs would be a disastrous move:

- Recent research from the University of Bath shows how smokefree legislation has accelerated the reduction in heart attacks (a drop of 2.5% on top of the long term trend) and saved the NHS in England more than £8 million in the first year.

- With every passing year the smokefree law gets more and more popular and now commands the support of 80% of English adults with support growing fastest among smokers.

- In response to claims that the law has been bad for the licensed trade, government figures show the number of premises licensed for "on sales" actually increased by 5% the year England and Wales went smokefree.

- This is a law that has worked well and if anything we should be looking at ways to strengthen it.

Martin Dockrell, ASH's Director of Policy and Research commented:

"All the evidence points to high and growing support for the smokefree law, including among smokers. There just isn't the evidence to support a return to the bad old days of smoky pubs and clubs. Instead of rolling back a law that is working well, we would urge the Government to focus on a comprehensive tobacco control strategy that will continue to drive down smoking rates and improve public health."

I notice that "ASH research" suggests that smokers would welcome an extension of the ban. That certainly adds weight to their earlier claim that they "are very different from research organisations". They don't do any research at all - they just make stuff up.

As for "Recent research from the University of Bath" showing a drop in the number of heart attacks since then ban, there are a couple of things people should know: 1) heart attacks were dropping before the ban came in anyway and 2) the person in charge of the study, Anna Gilmore, is a Board member of ASH.

http://www.bath.ac.uk/pip/directory/profile/505002

It is a disgrace, quite frankly, that taxpayers' money is used to fund an organisation capable of spouting mendacious drivel like this.

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TonyLondon
Posted by TonyLondon July 08, 2010 at 18:37
I suspect that up until now, ASH have been funded by Government despite MPs awareness of their exaggerations. The reason being that it was considered a noble cause. However there is a fine line between noble advocacy and 'noble cause corruption'. In my opinion that line was crossed long ago.

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Voter
Posted by Voter July 08, 2010 at 20:11
ASH:
Confidence trick:
"It is essential that campaigners create the impression of inevitable success. Campaigning of this kind is literally a confidence trick: the appearance of confidence both creates confidence and demoralises the opposition."

(link to full article provided in one of the posts by Belinda, above)

Can we take it, that ASH's response to Brian Binley's call for an Early Day Motion to relax the smoking laws is "confidence trick" in progress?

ASH most certainly ARE " very different from research organisations"

Just curious; how does "CHARITY" fit into this?

REPEAL Section 70 of the charities act 2006!!!

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johnbritishcitizen
Posted by johnbritishcitizen July 08, 2010 at 20:38
I did not realise that I was paying good taxes from my fags to an organisation that is stopping me smoking them.
The NHS stats are calculated wrong, If you fall over on a friday night and break your leg, the nurse smells or asks if you have had a drink, if you have, this is then flagged as an alcohol related injury. Are they going to do the same if you smoke.
ASH should be scrapped and govenment stats should be calculated correctly

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Kate
Posted by Kate July 08, 2010 at 21:14
ASH have called for electronic cigarettes to be banned (closure of the recreational nicotine market).

They oppose harm reduction strategies and create an environment for further development of the ineffective medical nicotine/cessation market.

I've asked them who benefits from their policies but they have yet to reply.

Charities are registered by the Charity Commission specifically to support their beneficiaries, in this case the public. Organisations are not charities if they do not promote their approved objectives and help their beneficiaries.

3.1 TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE PUBLIC AGAINST THE HARMFUL EFFECTS OF CIGARETTE OR OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS; AND
3.2 TO ADVANCE THE EDUCATION OF THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF CIGARETTE AND OTHER TOBACCO AND NICOTINE PRODUCTS.
http://www.charity-commissi[…]2067&SubsidiaryNumber=0

ASH want me to go back to smoking and I don't know why, they won't tell me. Ecigs are a satisfactory alternative for me but I suppose unless they cost the taxpayer and improve pharmaceutical company profits they're not worthy of being allowed.

None of this is about health, that's for sure.

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allgrownup
Posted by allgrownup July 10, 2010 at 01:33
This is an excellent proposal. I have heard their mendacious claims many times on the BBC and have been infuriated that they have not been subjected to proper scrutiny. It is a democratic outrage that this parasitical body has been allowed to meddle in public policy.

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Voter
Posted by Voter July 11, 2010 at 15:05
And couldn't we do with the figures on NHS savings which ASH predicted prior to the smoking ban?

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georgespeller
Posted by georgespeller July 13, 2010 at 13:29
Gosh I missed this one! Get over to
http://www.facebook.com/gro[…]=122405704449762&v=wall
and help the campaign

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Shaftmonde
Posted by Shaftmonde July 15, 2010 at 16:12
ASH only exists at all as the propaganda arm of the anti-smoking movement, so is hardly impartial on the subject.
If we are to have a meaningful dialogue then surely we should be funding a pro-smoking movement just as energetically.
Oh yes! We are all familiar with the 'Dupes of Big Tobacco' cry, but there is a deafening silence about being duped by Big Pharma.

Thanks Belinda for the http://www.guardian.co.uk/[…]/health.healthandwellbeing link.
BTW Deborah Arnott herself there claims victory by ASH's campaign by saying "Campaigning of this kind is literally a confidence trick."

How often do we see the following in the media when the subject of smoking is discussed? A representative from ASH is interviewed for their 'expert' opinion, and compared with a response given by an unsuspecting member of the public - usually in his cups, with a pint in one hand and a fag in the other - to present the counter argument. Oh yes, very impartial.

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Butch66
Posted by Butch66 July 15, 2010 at 16:56
I won't add much - all been said. Stop funding ASH.

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dastardly
Posted by dastardly July 15, 2010 at 17:35
When will the politicians realise that just because ASH bang on about smoking all the time they are not "impartial experts."

The BNP bang on about immigration all the time, but you wouldn't go them for race relations advice.

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jbagley
Posted by jbagley July 15, 2010 at 17:45
ASH UK receives 19% of its income from the tax payer via the DOH. Today an ASH UK spokesperson claimed that the smoking ban repeal suggestions were orchestrated by the tobacco industry. See here, on the Chartered Institute of Evironmental Health web site:

http://www.cieh.org/ehn/ehn3.aspx?id=31820

 Therefore we are being both encouraged to suggest laws to be scrapped, and funding an organisation to tell us our suggestions are bogus. Also, by retaining ASH UK as its anti-tobacco propaganda arm, the Government is benefiting from the fact that, as ASH UK is a registered charity, it is exempt from the Freedom of Information Act - as we have seen with the climate emails, a huge benefit.

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Kate
Posted by Kate July 15, 2010 at 19:14
One way to hold the pharmaceutical 'charities' to account is to contact the Charity Commission - http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/[…]/How_to_make_a_complaint.aspx

Please contact them and ask for transparency, accountability and democracy.

We didn't vote for the pharmaceutical lobby and they should have to justify why they claim to benefit us.

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TonyLondon
Posted by TonyLondon July 15, 2010 at 20:19
While posting elsewhere about an article called "The Anti-smoking "Truth Regime" That Cannot be Questioned", I noticed that the 'smoking' tag on the front page had disappeared again. It seems ASH have been claiming that commentators on this and other threads are in the pay of the tobacco industry. Well, for the record, I am not.
Here is the article: :
http://www.spiked-online.com/[…]/

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Voter
Posted by Voter July 15, 2010 at 23:28
.... @ASH: WHERE are the figures with respect to the declining NHS costs - it is 3 years since you lot wrangled that ban!

I want to see the list of Quangos out of the NHS the new government has stated. If ASH is not on that list I have one or wo questions...

And - what about that "Charity" status?

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AndyP
Posted by AndyP July 16, 2010 at 05:07
Please stop funding this organisation. By funding this you end up taking away money from people doing genuine useful research into cancer that actually helps people. ASH just spends money on research that either recycles what is already known, or wastes money on pointless research, like third hand smoke. Who has this helped? no one.

Add in the fact that their research is agenda-led and you have a group that does not add to human knowledge.

Please subject this to a scientific process of justification. Bad laws are one thing but bad science is devastating dangerous. The Cholera epidemic, "bad air" theory, is a prime example.

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cat_bee
Posted by cat_bee July 16, 2010 at 12:55
Quote from Dastardly:

"When will the politicians realise that just because ASH bang on about smoking all the time they are not "impartial experts."

"The BNP bang on about immigration all the time, but you wouldn't go them for race relations advice."

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That is brilliant Dastardly. It sums it up for me.

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ChangiAirport
Posted by ChangiAirport July 16, 2010 at 15:22
What a great idea this is! I resent my private life being dictated to against my wishes by a single issue non-elected pressure group funded by my own taxes and taking money from Big Pharma.

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Puddlecote
Posted by Puddlecote July 18, 2010 at 18:18
Agree entirely. If their views are popular, they can raise their own money.

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Belinda
Posted by Belinda July 19, 2010 at 18:32
'2.5 per cent drop in heart attacks': now that this is the standard claim coming out of the Department of Health I wonder if the Scottish government has the effrontery to maintain their claim that the drop in heart attacks in Scotland was 17 per cent.

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Voter
Posted by Voter July 19, 2010 at 21:30
Actually, if you take into account the progress made in the diagnostic of heart attacks in recent years you might find that the rate of heart attacks have INCREASED since the smoking ban.

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dastardly
Posted by dastardly July 21, 2010 at 13:51
How ASH deliberately misled Peers and MPs in the run up to the Tobacco Display Ban vote. Garnered from Freedom of Information requests and presented to MPs on the 19th July 2010.

http://www.velvetgloveironfist.com/[…]/thedarkmarketredux.pdf

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lucyyates
Posted by lucyyates July 22, 2010 at 17:27
I don't agree with this comment - while the person who posted it may have legitimate concerns, if you stopped government funding for charities then a lot of valuable work that charities do would not get funded and it would cost government a lot more to get it done by non-charitable organisations or even by civil servants.

I work for a charity (not ASH or anything to do with smoking, but in the environmental sector). Although the majority of my charity's funding comes from donations, we also do a lot of work for government (i.e. we get government funding for some work), carrying out research and survey work that would cost twice as much if done by a private company or by civil servants. This is because my charity uses volunteers to help with work, and even salaried staff are paid a lot less than they would be if they worked in the private sector (for example I would earn about 50% more if I did a similar job for any non-charity). Although the ASH case may not be ideal, a lot of charities do provide information/work that is required by government and is very good value for money.

Repealing this law will end up costing the government more money, not less.

The ASH case should be dealt with in another way, repealing this law is not the answer.

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AndyP
Posted by AndyP July 23, 2010 at 03:17
Everything you need to know about ASH:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtvH8IbV3F4

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cld28
Posted by cld28 July 26, 2010 at 11:36
For the record, Cancer Research UK does not receive any taxpayer funding.

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Voter
Posted by Voter July 26, 2010 at 22:29
But it has close links to ASH, who DO RECEIVE ALL TAXPAYERS funding.

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Kate
Posted by Kate July 27, 2010 at 19:24
CRUK is a pharmaceutical company front - they work with and for the pharm industry and promote tobacco control strategies that will send business their way.

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Paragon
Posted by Paragon July 27, 2010 at 21:38
Agree totally, and hope politicians are reading and take note.

Stop giving OUR money to unaccountable groups, who then seek to control our lives via lobbying.

Undemocratic, a waste of OUR money and not at all transparent.

Stop all funding to these groups NOW!!

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madmalk
Posted by madmalk July 27, 2010 at 22:28
This all just looks like "I don't like them, so they shouldn't be a charity".

I don't know much about ASH, beyond them campaigning to minimise the hard done by tobacco. But campaigning for public health is definitely charitable in my book. And if the pharmaceutical industry wants to give them money, then please let's not stop one of their few conscientious acts.

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Voter
Posted by Voter July 28, 2010 at 09:58
If they are a "charity" they should be funded by VOLUNTARY donations, not by the government.
I, for one, object strongly to an organisation which abuses tax payers monies. ASH's "conscious acts" are nothing short of Hitler's eugenics and are in contrast to what the term "charity" stands for.

In short: I fully agree with this proposal.

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Paragon
Posted by Paragon July 28, 2010 at 21:39
 Posted by madmalk July 27, 2010 at 22:28
This all just looks like "I don't like them, so they shouldn't be a charity".

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It has nothing to do with not liking them - in a democracy, everyone has a right to their opinion.

However, I think you'll find most of us are against the way they campaign..............and I'll let anyone reading google and make their own minds up on that one.

But in a democracy, 'charities' that lobby shouldn't be given public funding.

And if any organisation has links with funding from businesses, then those links should be closely scrutinised when those organisations then lobby the government.

And in an age of 'austerity', groups like this shouldn't receive any public monies, when other areas are being cut to the bone.

As others have said, charities should be funded by voluntary donations (or even donations from business).

What they should never be funded by is public (taxpayers) money.

We all have a choice whether to contribute to charities or not, and this funding must stop now (and to any other 'charity' that has political influence).

It's undemocratic, isn't transparent and none of us have a choice of whether to fund them or not.

Stop funding them, and stop funding them now.

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pcostello
Posted by pcostello August 26, 2010 at 04:07
Cut their state funding and see how long they last, big Pharma should not have this kind foot in the governments door.

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