Permitting Motor Caravans to park in locations other than licenced or exempted caravan sites will require the Public Health Act 1937 section 286 and The Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960 being ammended.
THe 1937 Act defines what constitues a caravan and the 1960 Act requires that Caravan Sites are licenced or carry an exemption issued by certain clubs and bodies. A Caravan is defined as being a vehicle or vessel that has been built or adapted for human habitation and does not recognise a difference between a Static, Touring(trailer) or Motor Caravan.
Modern Motor Caravans are totaly different and contain superior sanitary and habitation equipment to those envisaged in the 1930s and 1950s. Motor Caravans are in fact luxury hotels on wheels these days with Bedrooms, Kitchens and bathrooms with hot water and showers and sealed toilets.
A recognition that a motor caravan parking overnight does not need the same facilities as a touring caravan is required.
A recognition of the diference between camping and parking (including using the vehicle for cooking and sleeping) is required.
Motor Caravans are much heavier than touring caravans and existing grass caravan sites can prove unsuitable for them in wet weather. A Motor Caravan simply needs a firm level surface to park on and from time to time access to basic facilities for drinking water and to dispose of wet and dry waste.
Camping as defined in regulations for Camping Cars abroard is putting anything including Tables, Chairs, steps, waste and water containers, Awnings, ramps etc outside of the vehicle. There are no restrictions on what you can do within a parked vehicle.
Modern Motor Caravans are totaly self contained and only need facilities to get fresh water and dump black and grey water every few days. They are designed to carry these loads unlike touring caravans.
Local Authorities have the power at present to allow Aire type stopovers on land owned or leased by them under section 11 of the 1960 Act. Few have used this power.
Britain is unfriendly to visiting motor caravan users as we require them to join one of our clubs to use a reasonably priced Certificated site or some of the club sites. Otherwise thay need to use highly priced commercial or club sites.
We can enjoy using our Motor Caravans abroad without such restrictions using the many municipal and private Aires available at very low or even no cost other than a couple of Euros to obtain drinking water.
It has been recognised since the 1960s abroard that Motor Caravan users bring trade into areas they visit, as they need to buy supplies and will use and visit local amenities and eating places. It is time the UK recognised this and became more welcoming to travelling visitors. Many of our authorities are still in the B&B mindset with regards to taking holidays, or are "Traveller" phobic.
Action needed:
Examine and revoke or re-write the 1937 and 1960 acts to bring them into line with todays developments.
Instruct local authorities to remove restrictions preventing the use for cooking and sleeping in parked Motor Caravans.
A recognition that a motor caravan parking overnight does not need the same facilities as a touring caravan is required.
A recognition of the difference between camping and parking (including using the vehicle for cooking and sleeping) is required.
Require local Authorities to make use of existing underused parking spaces at night such as Coach Bays or car parks to permit the overnight parking of Motor Caravans.
Remove height barriers from some parts of otherwise restricted car parks so that larger vehicles can gain access. (Restrictions could still apply to the type of use to which these spaces are permitted to be used for ie no commercial vehicles or trading, and the lenght of stay permitted).
Why the contribution is important
The Acts governing what constitures a Caravan and where it can be used are outdated and in need of review.
Modern developments have overtaken these acts adopted in the 1930 and 1950s.
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Germany and France have catered and as a result benefited greatly with their networks of Stelplatz and Aires. Nearly ever town and village has an Aire ..
There are a few notable exceptions, look no further than Canterbury to see how the City Council have provided facilities at the Dover Rd. Park and Ride .... if this were rolled out across the UK what a difference it would make ... it can be done with minimal cost and fuss..
We don't need or want fancy facilities.
All we need is a safe place to park, preferably with fresh water and waste disposal ..
Many car parks already have this infrastructure in public toilets, with a little imagination it can be extended for Motor Caravan use
We go to motorhome friendly European mainland every year, use their facilities and spend lots of money.
Europeans come over here and are shunned, treated as second class citizens, forced on to very expensive overcrowded commercial sites, just as we are.
What a stupid waste of our island. We need their money.
Good luck.
I'm going away for 10 days shortly, would love to have done it around England but it isn't feasible, my money will be spent in France... (and my retirement eventually).
In the UK we are met with Height Barriers and No Overnight Camping signs, hence our regular trips across the water.
Come on UK - wake up and see the sense!
Many motorhome owners don't like campsites for various reasons, no recognition that we often don't want an extended stay just an overnight parking spot. There is a gap that needs to filled with some type of aires network in the UK.
We wrote or contacted all LGs and in a time of less constraint were rebuffed by almost all LGs mainly due to cost and the perceived problem with "travellers.
We had more success in Northern Ireland where one was set up in Broughshane and is considered a success by locals.
Also, Cantebury was much more forward thinking and set up a stopover with all the facilities in one of their Park and Rides.
I believe this facility is long overdue and LGs only have to speak to those involved in Broughshane or Cantebury to get a firsthand account of the many benefits to local business and tourism.
At a time when there is a surge in the uptake of caravans and motorhome sales and an increase in home holidaying it is high time that LGs recognised the benefits to them and not get hung up on the minimal costs to set up stopovers.
Its about time this country came out of the dark ages and realised the revenue that can be generated by the motorhoming world.We could learn a lot from the forward thinking French.
The Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act is now very dated legislation and is in desperate need of revision, particularly to address the differences between modern motorhomes and caravans.
Excellent idea
There are many non camping and caravanning people who have vivid and unpleasant memories of the so called 'travellers' of the last century and the damage they did both physically to the countryside and mentally to the populace in creating great harm to our cause and setting it back years.
In order for any freedom of motorhoming law to become acceptable to both the sceptical local authorites and the equally suspicious general populace there would need to be a lot of inbuilt protection for the law abiding majority who do not motorhome, do not understand the concept or the reality of modern vans and who, quite rightly, do not want their own lifestyles and enjoyment impinged upon or damaged.
Things like strengthened laws to rapidly remove squatters or those who park without due consideration for anyone else or the environment in terms of inappropriate noise, space occupied, number of vehicles, and litter and waste disposal.
Maybe a 'pay and display' system would give that legal authority to deal with transgressors - any thoughts anyone?
Maybe there should be duration of stay limits - maybe 48 hours with no return within 24 hours - any thoughts anyone?
There would need to be adequate and accesible toilet emptying and grey water and rubbish disposal points too and I realistically don't see why the user should not pay for these services - say £4 per 24 hours or maybe less for short daytime stopovers to empty and refill only - any thoughts anyone?
There would of course also need to be much sensitivity with locations with good screening in the countryside - and please no areas between the motorway and the main railway line next to the abbatoir - as nobody will want to use them!
Meanwhile we will continue to spend our holiday pounds as Euros in European towns and villages where we are welcome - often at no cost whatsoever.
Richard Owen.
We are sensible, hard working people who are treated as `travellers`. The difference is huge between perception and reality. Come on Local Government,you are decades behind the times.
Aires in Europe can be either free to use or are pay and display be it by a machine or someone calling around in the early evening to collect the fees. The fees charged vary from free to 4 or more Euro per 24 hours. Some only charge during the holiday season to encourage visitors out of season.
Stays can be limited to as little as 24 hours or, in some locations, of unlimited duration.
Disposal of toilet waste and grey water was always free.
Water varied from being included in the fee for staying to 1 or 2 Euro for between 33 and 100 litres. To prevent wastage this was also time limited to 10 minutes flow time.
With regard to location many small towns had a part of their car park allocated for a small number of Camping Cars to park overnight. This way the visitors were encouraged to shop, eat or drink in the village. Holiday towns provide an area for a larger number of vans that are still quite close to the amenities.
Some French supermarkets have areas marked for Camping Cars to park. Some of these also encourage overnight parking and provide water and sanitation at a fee of 2 Euros. I have stayed on one that provided hookup for 4 Euros for up to 7 hours of electricity.
Many local councils also operate caravan sites and provide Aire facilities for Camping Cars outside or sometime inside the site.
Aires are often beside sports grounds and swimming poools for overnighting by Camping Cars.
For many users a safe place to park while travelling around is all they are looking for.
Really do not understand most councils attitude to parking & Motor caravans. We would love to do more touring in the UK but it is easier to hop on a ferry & spent our cash overseas where we are welcome.
We spend a number of months each year on aires in France and spend our money in local shops and businesses, many of which would not survive without motorhomers.
Mostly we pay at these sites but they have all we motorhomes need i.e. water, a place to dump grey water and toilet waste and some have electric hook ups (mostly in Germany, quite a few French Aires have electric as well.
Most of us have solar panels so can do without electric.
The two main campsite clubs (Caravan Club & Camping & caravanning club) are getting FAR TOO EXPENSIVE for us retired people who do not need all singing all dancing campsites.
Also "Aires" abroad are often in villages, towns etc so we can easily walk to these places and freely spend our money.
We are made to feel 2nd class citizens in the UK and the club sites do not like motorhomes particularly as we like to tour around and so do not stay on site for long periods such as a week or more.
i have just spent 2 months in Germany, France, Denmark and rarely stayed more than 3 nights anywhere. We just loved the freedom we had.
Back in the UK it is a nightmare, we belong to the Caravan Club but it is very difficult to book a site as they are often pre-booked as soon as the early booking is available in December for the following year.
Also as we like touring the clubs do not like you to just turn up on the day for a pitch!! So there is no room to be spontaneous.
So UK get with it and let us have a system like France and Germany otherwise we will continue to spend our money abroad.
Gerry
Most local authorities have areas which could very easily be adapted at little cost, but which would have big benefits to local traders & increase tourist revenues.
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I doubt they will thank me for the link if you all send them an email!
Incidentally, apart from the two towns mentioned, Guisborough in North Yorkshire also has a 2/3 place area on its coach park where motorhomes may stay overnight. Not much in the way of facilities, toilets are only open during the day, but what is needed if we are self-sufficient?
Nothing further to add; but support.
The logic in France and Germany for example is simple.Most towns and villages provide space in the heart of the community and in return benefit from the money motorhomers spend in the local retail outlets .
Wake up Britain to a great tourism win win.
Im off to France again very soon , with it being so difficult in the UK and so easy in France why on earth would I spend my time and money here.
A similar thread is running on the above link, we are in agreement too - there are so many areas which can be used or adapted if local councils would 'wake up and smell the proverbial coffee'
The established touring clubs seem obsessed with sites whose pitches are more "convenient", so a caravan can be almost plumbed in with no need to move for the period of its stay. Free wifi, swimming pools, bar, restaurant, crazy golf course, etc etc etc with costs spiraling to match as each year sees a "better" site.
Many motorhomers merely want a flat parking spot and access to a tap and waste facilities. The fact that, for instance, for me to visit Windermere would almost cost the same in my camper as a Bed and Breakfast is ridiculous. The cheapness of French Aires in comparison to the average UK site more than pays for the fuel to get there!
Some French supermarkets are also starting to provide overnight facilities which of course encourages use of their shop. Tescos I beleive allows the same but no facilities- why? Their choice or council pressure?
Touring Scotland in winter is made harder by councils still insisting full charges from any campsite who says its open. So allow one camper to fill their freshwater tank and leave their rubbish, bin collections for one visit a week produce the same council charges as during the peak season!
Better control is needed of the "gypo" type traveller, which in my opinion should be a creation of their own space with facilites they like at a location they will be happy to use. Until then the average UK motorhomer will still see France etc as more in tune with their needs, resulting in a happier holiday trip and those GBP still going abroad!
Come on you 'powers that be'..wake up!!
It may be only bread and milk but in some places it could double the mornings takings.
I have a dilemma... do I spend £200 on 10 nights at a Caravan Club site in the back of beyond in the UK... OR spend the same £200 on 6 weeks in France, ferry included?
I'd really like to think that, one day, we'll be able to spend our money and time in the UK, getting the same value for money as in France. Dreams eh?
With resonable pricing local authorities could cover the running costs and provide an incentive to stay in this country for holidays.
If we park wild we get fined or parking ticket! Come on british government pull your socks up and get up with modern times.
We're not asking for "something for nothing." We're quite willing to pay a reasonable rate for what we need - a parking space, a water tap and a drain.
And we're not trying to holiday "on the cheap," or we wouldn't have spent thousands on our van. We never come back with any of our holiday budget left over, and we never will. It's just that we'd rather spend in on the attractions and businesses of the area we're in, than use it all up paying again (via sky-high campsite fees) for facilities we've already bought (in the van). Especially since most of those same campsites don't really WANT "one-nighters" like us.
We spend very little time in the UK, where we feel unwanted, except to travel to the ports so that we can go to motorhome friendly Europe.
The UK is missing out on the chance to make money from this rapidly growing form of tourism. Very few people from mainland Europe choose to come to the UK in their motorhomes because they are aware of the lack of facilities.
Many of us do not want to stay in camp sites, we don't need all the facilities or want to pay for what we will not use. Camp site prices are generally only sensible for long stays which is not what we want to do. Motorhomers tend to be slightly older people usually touring without children and looking for a place to stay where they can go into a town or village for a meal and some sight seeing, Alan.
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It will encourage more folk to spend more in the UK and encourage those from Europe to also come and spend some Euros here.
Very good for the economy of the majority, except the campsite owners who overcharge their customers.
The fact that UK sites are often full and turning away custom indicates this.
As the posting says the French and Germans have realised that the home-tourist market is enormous and many communities depend on encouraging motor-caravan owners to stay a night or two and visit local restaurants, shops and attractions. Caravan Parks and Camp Sites are unsuited to Motor Caravans as they are located too remote from facilities (requiring a car to visit shops, pubs, restaurants attractions etc.).
Stop-overs in or close to towns and villages are what Motor-Caravanners require and as in most places under-utilised Public Car Parks would suit the simple act of removing prohibitive stricture and signs such as "no sleeping/cooking or overnight camping" is all that is required. Hay-on-Wye has seen the light in this regard.
The alternative is that we Motor-Caravanners will have to take our business and custom to place like France where we are welcomed with open arms. What a pity for Tourism UK especially in these recessionary times.
Can't you get it into your collective conciousness that most of us would rather not see your unwieldy vehicles blocking country roads, filling the motorways, competing for spaces in motorway carparks.
Go to Europe. Go as far away as possible. The UK is not big enough for you and your foreign counterparts to fill with your fumes and your engine noises.
Here here.
Why is it most of Europe worked this out years ago
but we could still cache up.
The problem is many local authorities seek their advice and accept their word as gospel. In fact when chasing up requests from local council's, their response was, "You must consult with your Club HQ's, as though they represented every Camper.
This is not the case with overseas Clubs as they operate in a more open society.
Little wonder that us Motor-Homers head straight across the channel and spend our money over there.
NORTHERN IRELAND, CARRICKFERGUS:
The bourough council has installed a Euro-Relais bourne de service (aires) in a town centre carpark for motorhomes ..overnight permitted
DEVON, BARNSTABLE:
Railway station allows motorhomes overnight camping £2 per day £8 per week
Van and lorry park £1.50 for 24 hours
CORNWALL, TINTAGEL:
King Arthurs carpark allows overnight motorhomes next to KING ARTHURS public house £3
DEVON, TEIGNMOUTH:
Eastcliff carpark close to beach/town centre 2 nights only 6pm-9am free
SCOTTISH HIGHLANDS, POOLEWE:
Informal camping on a field on the road to Cove runs up the side of Loch Ewe a donation of £10 per week is requested
KENT, CANTERBURY:
Dover road park n ride (fenced off for 26 motorhomes)
water tap and drive over drain, toilets on site
£2 parking and return bus faires to city centre
Yorkshire, Guisborough:
Overnight parking in Car Park. Free. (no service point)
This shows it can be done.
Part 1 – Caravan Sites
Provision of caravan sites by local authorities
24. - (1) A local authority shall have power within their area to provide sites where caravans may be brought, whether for caravans, for holidays or other temporary purposes or for use as permanent residences, and to manage the sites or lease them to some other person.
(2 ) A local authority shall have power to do anything appearing to them desirable in connection with the provision of such sites, and in particular -
(a) to acquire land which is in use as a caravan site, or which has been laid out as a caravan site, or
(b) to provide for the use of those occupying caravan sites any services or facilities for their health or convenience.
(4) A local authority may make available the services and facilities provided under this section for those who do not normally reside in the area of the local authority as freely as for those who do.
(5) A local authority shall, in the performance of their functions under this section, have power, where it appears to them that a caravan site or an additional caravan site is needed in their area, or that land which is in use as a caravan site should in the interests of the users of caravans be taken over by the local authority, to acquire land, or any interest in land, compulsorily.
Ii is either lack of knowledge of the powers that are currently available to them or simply that they cannot see any benefits in going outside of the current provision, that stops them from setting up Aires in their area.
As has been stated, all the UK is missing out on the business generated by motorhomers on their travels. In these times of austerity attracting any increase in business will I am sure be welcomed by local businesses
Most existing sites, (Caravan Club, etc.) are remote from town centres. They are fine for caravanners who can use their towing vehicle for accessing local attractions, but are unsuitable for motorhomers. For this reason many motorhomers even resort to towing a small car behind their motorhome for local access. This would be unnecessary if suitable "aires" could be provided near to town & village centres.
The facilities in existing sites are generally more than is required by modern motorhome users, as these vehicles are completely self-contained, with showers & toilets on board. Consequently, all that is required in an "aire", as stated above, is a source of potable water & a disposal point for grey & black water. Electrical hook-up is not required, although of course if it was provided, at an additional cost, it would be a bonus.
Many MOTORHOMERS are retired or have that 'little extra to spend',the vehicles on average range in cost from £20,000 to £50,000,the people that use them are not larger louts,boy racers,new age or travellers,but law abiding citizens who prefer to visit many places rather than book and fly to some far of shore and be surrounded by young people making a noise and enjoying theirselves,as they do.
Surely National parks,forstry commisions,natural beauty sites,museums and the like could (maybe as a test case) be opened to MOTORHOMERS,as we are completely different to caravanners/campers, as mentioned we are completely self contained.
We need somewhere safe,close to shops or conveniences so we can spend our money and visit the village,town or local area,if near the coast,maybe close to the sea,rural near an attraction.
A small fee or 'key' could be provided to all motorhomers who register and possibly pay a small 'club fee',each key would have a personal number allocated,this could be used to 'unlock' the water and waste system,when needed ?This could also be incorporated to foreign campervans,if cheap enough say £10 per key,also a limited time of perhaps 3/4 days at any one site ? on a big ticket displayed in window,cost kept to a minimum or Free,as to intise more users of these facilities.
Motorhoming has turned into big business,sadly most monies are not collected or spent in the UK,its going abroad,not for the want of British or foreign motorhomers,but the fact the UK is anti-social to them,with nowhere to stop,without harassment by officials or yobs.
A motorhomer abroad..........
Its about time that we caught up with the rest of Europe and welcomed the motorhome's into our towns and cities. We need tourism and the money it brings.
Why is it most of Europe worked this out years ago. So come on UK get with it and let us have a system like France and Germany otherwise we will continue to spend our money abroad.
I 100% support any action required to see legislative change to enable a network to be developed.
Touring France and Germany gives a wonderful liberal experience, Motorhomers are welcomed in towns and villages and their needs well catered for at minimal or nil cost. We are not pushed onto regimented caravan sites away from habitation but welcomed into the community on small dedicated Aires.
Please Britain let us tour responsibly and economically and spend our money in local communities.
I write this from the beautifun new Aire de Parking on the outskirts of Neussargues in the Auvergene region of France where there is a Bourne supplying water and electricity for a nominal fee, a single toilet in a small new building and the necessary waste disposal facilities. Even the Wi-Fi that I am using is provided by the local authority to help encourage tourists to the area.
had Caravans(towed) and now enjoy our Motorhome.
Like all responcible Motorhomers, we have and do "Wild camp" and fully enjoy this as part of our free time, we have used Aires on the continent, and are often asked why we in the UK do not have a similar system.
As has been said we are self contained for all of our needs,and only require somewhere to top up with water, and of load our waste. The benefits to local communities are numerous, with visitors spending in shops and on leisure activities.
As for cost to the councils, i would put money on it that well run and popular Aires would and do make a profit, which can be put back into the areas where they are sited.
Anyway please read and consider these concerns, and hopefully act appropriately, and in a 21st Centurary manor with proper respect for our thoughts.
My wife and I have just spent the best of 5 weeks in France where we felt welcomed to thier towns cities and somtimes homes.
We spent fairly freely as it was our vacation and disposed of some 2000 euro on Fuel, Food and Eating out.
This is a severe loss to the uk economy as a whole.
And yes we would Holiday in the UK with the facillities as described above!
We are both able to take 6 weeks holiday every summer and we would like to be able to see more of our own country than we already have but sadly it's far easier to cross the channel. I'm not saying we would spend every summer in the UK but we would probably spend far more of our time here.
At the same time a more welcoming approach may lead to greater numbers of European motorhomers spending their euros here.
I would add that the vast majority of motorhomers in my experience are mature and responsible adults with a good amount of disposable income and plenty of spare time in which to spend it.
My wife and I love to wild camp, and why not. It's our country and we relish the opportunity to live "in" it when we can.
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