Permitting Motor Caravans to park in locations other than licenced or exempted caravan sites will require the Public Health Act 1937 section 286 and The Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960 being ammended.

THe 1937 Act defines what constitues a caravan and the 1960 Act requires that Caravan Sites are licenced or carry an exemption issued by certain clubs and bodies. A Caravan is defined as being a vehicle or vessel that has been built or adapted for human habitation and does not recognise a difference between a Static, Touring(trailer) or Motor Caravan.

Modern Motor Caravans are totaly different and contain superior sanitary and habitation equipment to those envisaged in the 1930s and 1950s. Motor Caravans are in fact luxury hotels on wheels these days with Bedrooms, Kitchens and bathrooms with hot water and showers and sealed toilets.

A recognition that a motor caravan parking overnight does not need the same facilities as a touring caravan is required.

A recognition of the diference between camping and parking (including using the vehicle for cooking and sleeping) is required.

Motor Caravans are much heavier than touring caravans and existing grass caravan sites can prove unsuitable for them in wet weather. A Motor Caravan simply needs a firm level surface to park on and from time to time access to basic facilities for drinking water and to dispose of wet and dry waste.

Camping as defined in regulations for Camping Cars abroard is putting anything including Tables, Chairs, steps, waste and water containers, Awnings, ramps etc outside of the vehicle. There are no restrictions on what you can do within a parked vehicle.

Modern Motor Caravans are totaly self contained and only need facilities to get fresh water and dump black and grey water every few days. They are designed to carry these loads unlike touring caravans.

Local Authorities have the power at present to allow Aire type stopovers on land owned or leased by them under section 11 of the 1960 Act. Few have used this power.

Britain is unfriendly to visiting motor caravan users as we require them to join one of our clubs to use a reasonably priced Certificated site or some of the club sites. Otherwise thay need to use highly priced commercial or club sites.

We can enjoy using our Motor Caravans abroad without such restrictions using the many municipal and private Aires available at very low or even no cost other than a couple of Euros to obtain drinking water.

It has been recognised since the 1960s abroard that Motor Caravan users bring trade into areas they visit, as they need to buy supplies and will use and visit local amenities and eating places. It is time the UK recognised this and became more welcoming to travelling visitors. Many of our authorities are still in the B&B mindset with regards to taking holidays, or are "Traveller" phobic.

Action needed:

Examine and revoke or re-write the 1937 and 1960 acts to bring them into line with todays developments.

Instruct local authorities to remove restrictions preventing the use for cooking and sleeping in parked Motor Caravans.

A recognition that a motor caravan parking overnight does not need the same facilities as a touring caravan is required.

A recognition of the difference between camping and parking (including using the vehicle for cooking and sleeping) is required.

Require local Authorities to make use of existing underused parking spaces at night such as Coach Bays or car parks to permit the overnight parking of Motor Caravans.

Remove height barriers from some parts of otherwise restricted car parks so that larger vehicles can gain access. (Restrictions could still apply to the type of use to which these spaces are permitted to be used for ie no commercial vehicles or trading, and the lenght of stay permitted).

Why the contribution is important

The Acts governing what constitures a Caravan and where it can be used are outdated and in need of review. 

Modern developments have overtaken these acts adopted in the 1930 and 1950s.

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barryd
Posted by barryd July 19, 2010 at 14:31
Well said! Its about time this country allowed more freedom for Motorhomes. It works all over Europe perfectly well but the UK is dragging its heels and is missing out frankly.

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pennyb
Posted by pennyb July 19, 2010 at 14:48
Madness we don't have this in this country. Very well said!

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jim
Posted by jim July 19, 2010 at 15:33
I agree totally, this country is in the dark ages with it's attitude toward Motor Caravans..

Germany and France have catered and as a result benefited greatly with their networks of Stelplatz and Aires. Nearly ever town and village has an Aire ..

There are a few notable exceptions, look no further than Canterbury to see how the City Council have provided facilities at the Dover Rd. Park and Ride .... if this were rolled out across the UK what a difference it would make ... it can be done with minimal cost and fuss..

We don't need or want fancy facilities.

All we need is a safe place to park, preferably with fresh water and waste disposal ..
Many car parks already have this infrastructure in public toilets, with a little imagination it can be extended for Motor Caravan use

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GerardJanice
Posted by GerardJanice July 19, 2010 at 16:12
Agreed, improved legislation would benefit the many who abide by current legislation. Illegal "camping" should be made a criminal offence, it's currently a Civil Offence, hence ineffective enforcement. For example it's a criminal offence in in the Republic of Ireland.

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hilldweller
Posted by hilldweller July 19, 2010 at 16:21
It's a win win situation.

We go to motorhome friendly European mainland every year, use their facilities and spend lots of money.

Europeans come over here and are shunned, treated as second class citizens, forced on to very expensive overcrowded commercial sites, just as we are.

What a stupid waste of our island. We need their money.

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donald1haigh
Posted by donald1haigh July 19, 2010 at 16:26
I have to say that this is one of the better ideas that I have seen. Have'ing travelled throu Europe and staying on Aires all the time. Spending my money in local shops. I can only see this as a winner. Yet when I wrote to my local Council, stating all the attributes and bennefits. not a word from them. Wrote a second time and ignored. Wat is new.
Good luck.
 

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Mardee
Posted by Mardee July 19, 2010 at 17:30
Well said I feel embarrassed at how foreign motorhomers are treated in our country when France and Germany provide such good facilities. As said above there is a lack of awareness about what a modern motorhome needs

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Skar
Posted by Skar July 19, 2010 at 17:59
I couldn't agree more, unfortunately we only adopt the poor ideas from Europe. Those that are services to their populations are, largely, ignored here.

I'm going away for 10 days shortly, would love to have done it around England but it isn't feasible, my money will be spent in France... (and my retirement eventually).

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parkay3560
Posted by parkay3560 July 19, 2010 at 20:50
Totally agree with the previous posters. I have neen a motorhomer for 18 years and have never abused the highways and byways. I think the rules need to be brought into the 21st century in this country. In the days when businesses in this country are crying out for our support, isnt it crazy that rules and regs make it so uncomfortable for us Motorhomers that we take our custom abroad. Why do we have to go abroad to get treated ok? bring the aires system to this country and make legislation available so that this can be done. Your driving us away from our own country you know!

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greenmachine
Posted by greenmachine July 19, 2010 at 22:00
I fully back the previous comments. The law needs to change to reflect the current situation. France and Germany are motorhome friendly countries and make available Aires and Stelplatz. This then brings in much needed funds for shops and other businesses. As mentioned in an earlier post,Canterbury make available their Park & Ride for motorhomes. If this was adopted throughout the country, then more people would travel around this lovely country instaed of rushing to the ferry ports.

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MSnaith
Posted by MSnaith July 19, 2010 at 23:59
I agree we have excessive and draconian restrictions on these modern moterhomes which is totally unnecessary. If it can work across most of Europe why can't it work here? I have seen only one car park with allocated overnight spaces which I think was in Shaldon Devon.

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colpot
Posted by colpot July 20, 2010 at 08:54
We too would love to spend our hard earned cash in the UK. However this Country's attitude to Motorhomers will not allow this. We go to France and spend our money in their villages and towns where we appear to be welcomed with open arms!
In the UK we are met with Height Barriers and No Overnight Camping signs, hence our regular trips across the water.
Come on UK - wake up and see the sense!

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vernon5678
Posted by vernon5678 July 20, 2010 at 09:41
More freedom for motorhomes! The current law is 50 years out of date.

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Kontiki
Posted by Kontiki July 20, 2010 at 09:44
A motorhome is a vehicle designed for touring, it is a self contained unit & needs very little except for water & grey/black water emptying facilities. It is easy to see the success of the French & German systems that are slowly being adopted in other European countries.
Many motorhome owners don't like campsites for various reasons, no recognition that we often don't want an extended stay just an overnight parking spot. There is a gap that needs to filled with some type of aires network in the UK.

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PioneerBill
Posted by PioneerBill July 20, 2010 at 10:02
Quite frankly, the UK is missing out on a lot of revenue by not having these facilities. The majority of our mainland European Motorhoming friends, will not come here, because of the lack of it.

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lisalane
Posted by lisalane July 20, 2010 at 11:41
Very good point, well made!

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viclanc
Posted by viclanc July 20, 2010 at 11:53
As a member of the Council of Management for the Motor Caravanners Club I worked on a committee to try and promote this idea to Local Government ( LG )

We wrote or contacted all LGs and in a time of less constraint were rebuffed by almost all LGs mainly due to cost and the perceived problem with "travellers.

We had more success in Northern Ireland where one was set up in Broughshane and is considered a success by locals.

Also, Cantebury was much more forward thinking and set up a stopover with all the facilities in one of their Park and Rides.

I believe this facility is long overdue and LGs only have to speak to those involved in Broughshane or Cantebury to get a firsthand account of the many benefits to local business and tourism.

At a time when there is a surge in the uptake of caravans and motorhome sales and an increase in home holidaying it is high time that LGs recognised the benefits to them and not get hung up on the minimal costs to set up stopovers.

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coolasluck
Posted by coolasluck July 20, 2010 at 12:34
Couldnt agree more with John.
Its about time this country came out of the dark ages and realised the revenue that can be generated by the motorhoming world.We could learn a lot from the forward thinking French.

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Andy_C
Posted by Andy_C July 20, 2010 at 12:42
This is the best, most lucidly argued, case that I have seen in support of proper short term stopover facilities for motorhomes.

The Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act is now very dated legislation and is in desperate need of revision, particularly to address the differences between modern motorhomes and caravans.

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breakaleg
Posted by breakaleg July 20, 2010 at 13:00
About time we caught up with the rest of Europe.

Excellent idea

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littlefeathers
Posted by littlefeathers July 20, 2010 at 13:00
Well said and well written, now lets see some action and get these stupid outdated laws etc changed.

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Jo001
Posted by Jo001 July 20, 2010 at 13:19
I agree with all that has been said and would also like to add that cash-strapped local authorities could benefit from this too, by levying a reasonable overnight charge. In Germany, where I spent the last two weeks, I stayed mainly on stellplatze, paying 5 - 8 euros per night. A small charge for overnight stays with basic facilities would seem reasonable to most motorhome users, and would generate income for the local authority as well as endorsing the users' right to stay there.

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t1melord
Posted by t1melord July 20, 2010 at 13:51
Excellent and sensible ideas

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rebbyvid
Posted by rebbyvid July 20, 2010 at 13:55
Totally agree with John.I spend my holidays in France and as i use the motorhome as it was meant to be (as in touring).I will maybe visit 5/6 villages in a week so adding to their economy(as i shop like most motorhomers for local produce).France is a very large country so it will take many years of my money,pity the U.K is not the same as there are many parts of it i have not visited but with the antiquated camping laws maybe i will never visit.

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JennyMayWright
Posted by JennyMayWright July 20, 2010 at 13:59
I totally agree. Its about time the bureaucrats in government and local authorities listened. They would then realise the demand there is and the benefits that could be gained on both sides.

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colinsburgh
Posted by colinsburgh July 20, 2010 at 16:04
Agreed, sooner the better.

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ian81
Posted by ian81 July 20, 2010 at 16:06
totally agree with all the sentiments expressed above. As an expat living in France we would love to spend more time in the UK in our motorhome. When we talk to the French and others they bypass Britain because of the difficulties of over night stopping,

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Tracker
Posted by Tracker July 20, 2010 at 16:12
I agree with all that has been said, but then again it is not us motorhomers that we need to convince.
There are many non camping and caravanning people who have vivid and unpleasant memories of the so called 'travellers' of the last century and the damage they did both physically to the countryside and mentally to the populace in creating great harm to our cause and setting it back years.
In order for any freedom of motorhoming law to become acceptable to both the sceptical local authorites and the equally suspicious general populace there would need to be a lot of inbuilt protection for the law abiding majority who do not motorhome, do not understand the concept or the reality of modern vans and who, quite rightly, do not want their own lifestyles and enjoyment impinged upon or damaged.
Things like strengthened laws to rapidly remove squatters or those who park without due consideration for anyone else or the environment in terms of inappropriate noise, space occupied, number of vehicles, and litter and waste disposal.
Maybe a 'pay and display' system would give that legal authority to deal with transgressors - any thoughts anyone?
Maybe there should be duration of stay limits - maybe 48 hours with no return within 24 hours - any thoughts anyone?
There would need to be adequate and accesible toilet emptying and grey water and rubbish disposal points too and I realistically don't see why the user should not pay for these services - say £4 per 24 hours or maybe less for short daytime stopovers to empty and refill only - any thoughts anyone?
There would of course also need to be much sensitivity with locations with good screening in the countryside - and please no areas between the motorway and the main railway line next to the abbatoir - as nobody will want to use them!
Meanwhile we will continue to spend our holiday pounds as Euros in European towns and villages where we are welcome - often at no cost whatsoever.
Richard Owen.

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maingate
Posted by maingate July 20, 2010 at 16:13
With the attitude of Local Government, I am surprised that they removed public horse troughs.
   
We are sensible, hard working people who are treated as `travellers`. The difference is huge between perception and reality. Come on Local Government,you are decades behind the times.

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Mike88
Posted by Mike88 July 20, 2010 at 17:20
This is a brilliant initiative and enables hitherto unused parking spaces to be occupied and will encourage tourism. One of the main reasons few foreign motorhomers visit the UK is the lack of places to park.

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johnthompson
Posted by johnthompson July 20, 2010 at 17:21
In reply to some of the above comments

Aires in Europe can be either free to use or are pay and display be it by a machine or someone calling around in the early evening to collect the fees. The fees charged vary from free to 4 or more Euro per 24 hours. Some only charge during the holiday season to encourage visitors out of season.

Stays can be limited to as little as 24 hours or, in some locations, of unlimited duration.

Disposal of toilet waste and grey water was always free.

Water varied from being included in the fee for staying to 1 or 2 Euro for between 33 and 100 litres. To prevent wastage this was also time limited to 10 minutes flow time.

With regard to location many small towns had a part of their car park allocated for a small number of Camping Cars to park overnight. This way the visitors were encouraged to shop, eat or drink in the village. Holiday towns provide an area for a larger number of vans that are still quite close to the amenities.

Some French supermarkets have areas marked for Camping Cars to park. Some of these also encourage overnight parking and provide water and sanitation at a fee of 2 Euros. I have stayed on one that provided hookup for 4 Euros for up to 7 hours of electricity.

Many local councils also operate caravan sites and provide Aire facilities for Camping Cars outside or sometime inside the site.

Aires are often beside sports grounds and swimming poools for overnighting by Camping Cars.

For many users a safe place to park while travelling around is all they are looking for.

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lennyhb
Posted by lennyhb July 20, 2010 at 17:26
In full agreement.

Really do not understand most councils attitude to parking & Motor caravans. We would love to do more touring in the UK but it is easier to hop on a ferry & spent our cash overseas where we are welcome.

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mikeg1
Posted by mikeg1 July 20, 2010 at 17:42
Totally agree.

We spend a number of months each year on aires in France and spend our money in local shops and businesses, many of which would not survive without motorhomers.

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curlyboy
Posted by curlyboy July 20, 2010 at 17:49
An excellent post, one that most Motorhome owners would agree with. however in order to implement these ideas we as a community need to voice these views through a forum with some influence, I don't see the Caravan Club or the Camping and caravan club wishing to support us! There are others though, eg Motorhome facts.com with a membership of about 30,000.

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JRW
Posted by JRW July 20, 2010 at 17:53
What an excellant idea. Should have happened years ago. This country will see an increase in touring vans from the continent and UK van owners will spend more money in the UK as well. Its not 'rocket science' just a bit of good common sense.

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steveandpat
Posted by steveandpat July 20, 2010 at 18:02
Its about time that we caught up with the rest of euope and welcomed the motorhome's into our towns and cities

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brimal
Posted by brimal July 20, 2010 at 18:20
Motorhoming facilities and parking in the UK are abysmal. If we had the same facilities that are available in most other mainland European countries is would help boost our visitor numbers and thereby increase revenue all around.
 

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alpagalaine
Posted by alpagalaine July 20, 2010 at 18:20
Totally agree with this. Absolutely no reason why this can't be done, just needs the will. The legislation needs to differentiate between someone who only wants to stop for a maximum of 24 hours and those who are looking for long term, free camping. This shouldn't be difficult, those touring are unlikely to want to stay in the same places. Many motor caravaners like to travel off season, and the local community would benefit from the extra trade. Having somewhere specific to stay would also help to reduce congestion and avoid the hazard of larger vehicles negotiating the centers of popular tourist towns and cities in an attempt to find somewhere to park.

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jabriju
Posted by jabriju July 20, 2010 at 18:39
I totally agree with this. We spend our holidays in France mainly but also Germany where they have Stellplatz a similar scheme to the French "Aires".

Mostly we pay at these sites but they have all we motorhomes need i.e. water, a place to dump grey water and toilet waste and some have electric hook ups (mostly in Germany, quite a few French Aires have electric as well.

Most of us have solar panels so can do without electric.

The two main campsite clubs (Caravan Club & Camping & caravanning club) are getting FAR TOO EXPENSIVE for us retired people who do not need all singing all dancing campsites.

Also "Aires" abroad are often in villages, towns etc so we can easily walk to these places and freely spend our money.

We are made to feel 2nd class citizens in the UK and the club sites do not like motorhomes particularly as we like to tour around and so do not stay on site for long periods such as a week or more.

i have just spent 2 months in Germany, France, Denmark and rarely stayed more than 3 nights anywhere. We just loved the freedom we had.

Back in the UK it is a nightmare, we belong to the Caravan Club but it is very difficult to book a site as they are often pre-booked as soon as the early booking is available in December for the following year.

Also as we like touring the clubs do not like you to just turn up on the day for a pitch!! So there is no room to be spontaneous.

So UK get with it and let us have a system like France and Germany otherwise we will continue to spend our money abroad.

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GerryDavey
Posted by GerryDavey July 20, 2010 at 19:16
This is a matter of considerable urgency. This Country is making itself the most unhospitable for holidaymakers in Europe.
Gerry

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Flicka
Posted by Flicka July 20, 2010 at 19:40
Unfortunately the UK is still in the dark ages regarding Motorhomes, in comparison with the majority of mainland Europe. It is embarassing when meeting foreign motorhomers looking for overnight places to stay, to have to inform them that it is not possible in the UK.
Most local authorities have areas which could very easily be adapted at little cost, but which would have big benefits to local traders & increase tourist revenues.

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jongood
Posted by jongood July 20, 2010 at 19:44
I fully support the concept of aires in the UK. We are one of the many brits with disposable income who spent many weeks each year in France, Germany etc, normally using aires or stellplatze. We would visit britian more but campsite are too expensive and too officicious and not where we want to be.

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Tracker
Posted by Tracker July 20, 2010 at 20:10
Anyone else in favour might like to seek support from the Motor Caravan Club at -

http://motorcaravanners.eu/[…]amp;catid=83&Itemid=103

I doubt they will thank me for the link if you all send them an email!

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teflon2
Posted by teflon2 July 20, 2010 at 20:25
This needs to be initiated as soon as possible as our local traders are losing out as is the country when we take our breaks on the coninent and not here because we do not feel welcome.

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Barney123
Posted by Barney123 July 20, 2010 at 20:27
Totally agree we should have Aires in UK, however we are up against the Caravan Club who pitch in and state their are ample caravan sites in the UK and there is no need for this type of parking. I know, I was going through the motions with my local council in establishing a "Camper Stop" at our local "Park & Ride". The council were initially all in favour of it until the CC jumped in with their penny worth and put a stop to it.

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Harryo
Posted by Harryo July 20, 2010 at 20:32
I very much agree, Well said! Its about time this country allowed more freedom for Motorhomes. It works all over Europe perfectly well but the UK is dragging its heels and is missing out.

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tomo52
Posted by tomo52 July 20, 2010 at 20:33
A fully supported idea. Is it any wonder foreign motorhomers do not visit these shores in great numbers, where they are treated like criminals for wild camping and there are no reasonably priced service areas for them to use.

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terrylaw
Posted by terrylaw July 20, 2010 at 21:07
An excellent idea and we would love to be able to use our motorhome more in this country, spending our hard-earned on British business - isn't that what the new government is dedicated to?

Incidentally, apart from the two towns mentioned, Guisborough in North Yorkshire also has a 2/3 place area on its coach park where motorhomes may stay overnight. Not much in the way of facilities, toilets are only open during the day, but what is needed if we are self-sufficient?

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MartinBennett
Posted by MartinBennett July 20, 2010 at 21:25
A great idea - I've been trying to get Sheffield Council interested in providing facilities for Motorhomes for over 20 years with no success........ but I'm forever hopeful!

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Misterpassant
Posted by Misterpassant July 20, 2010 at 21:27
Absolutely.
Nothing further to add; but support.

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wp1234
Posted by wp1234 July 20, 2010 at 21:27
I am all in favour of this idea.It’s time UK Ministers visited the rest of Europe to see how well they treat Motorhomers.
The logic in France and Germany for example is simple.Most towns and villages provide space in the heart of the community and in return benefit from the money motorhomers spend in the local retail outlets .
Wake up Britain to a great tourism win win.

Im off to France again very soon , with it being so difficult in the UK and so easy in France why on earth would I spend my time and money here.

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Moonbus
Posted by Moonbus July 20, 2010 at 21:32
http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/[…]/britain-is-noxious-for-motorhomers

A similar thread is running on the above link, we are in agreement too - there are so many areas which can be used or adapted if local councils would 'wake up and smell the proverbial coffee'

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grizzlyj
Posted by grizzlyj July 20, 2010 at 21:47
Absolutely agree.

The established touring clubs seem obsessed with sites whose pitches are more "convenient", so a caravan can be almost plumbed in with no need to move for the period of its stay. Free wifi, swimming pools, bar, restaurant, crazy golf course, etc etc etc with costs spiraling to match as each year sees a "better" site.

Many motorhomers merely want a flat parking spot and access to a tap and waste facilities. The fact that, for instance, for me to visit Windermere would almost cost the same in my camper as a Bed and Breakfast is ridiculous. The cheapness of French Aires in comparison to the average UK site more than pays for the fuel to get there!

Some French supermarkets are also starting to provide overnight facilities which of course encourages use of their shop. Tescos I beleive allows the same but no facilities- why? Their choice or council pressure?

Touring Scotland in winter is made harder by councils still insisting full charges from any campsite who says its open. So allow one camper to fill their freshwater tank and leave their rubbish, bin collections for one visit a week produce the same council charges as during the peak season!

Better control is needed of the "gypo" type traveller, which in my opinion should be a creation of their own space with facilites they like at a location they will be happy to use. Until then the average UK motorhomer will still see France etc as more in tune with their needs, resulting in a happier holiday trip and those GBP still going abroad!

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Jacqueslefoot
Posted by Jacqueslefoot July 20, 2010 at 21:49
Not much more to add on this one, other than to agree whole heartedly with the plea for Aires for Motorhomes in the U.K. We are responsible, law abiding citizens, who would like to tour more in our own country, but always drift across the channel where we know we are welcomed and provided for. We have spent over 3 months, and a lot of money in mainland Europe already this year..it could have been spent here!!
  Come on you 'powers that be'..wake up!!

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greenarmy
Posted by greenarmy July 20, 2010 at 21:59
Totally agree with everything posted.

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Zozzer
Posted by Zozzer July 20, 2010 at 22:04
I whole heartly agree with this proposal. Not only would it open up the nation to all year round Motorhome Touring it would give a much needed boost to the UK tourism industy by attracting visitors from overseas.

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rogers
Posted by rogers July 20, 2010 at 22:05
As others have said,in Europe even the smallest of villages have an aire or at least a car park that will accomodate motorhomes. Some are free, others are a very nominal amount, many motorhomers will do some shopping in the areas they park bringing revenue to the small traders.
It may be only bread and milk but in some places it could double the mornings takings.

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tjennings
Posted by tjennings July 20, 2010 at 22:21
I am fully supportive of this idea. It seems crazy that so many people who would enjoy exploring the UK, and will spend money to support local businesses here, are much more likely to depart for mainland Europe because of the vastly superior facilities there. I and most others would be happy to pay a reasonable fee for good facilities, so the scheme should be self-funding.

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UncleNorm
Posted by UncleNorm July 20, 2010 at 22:31
I have to agree with all points thus far. We love going to France for all the reasons stated, especially the fact that we motorhomers are welcomed with open arms.
I have a dilemma... do I spend £200 on 10 nights at a Caravan Club site in the back of beyond in the UK... OR spend the same £200 on 6 weeks in France, ferry included?
I'd really like to think that, one day, we'll be able to spend our money and time in the UK, getting the same value for money as in France. Dreams eh?

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lateron
Posted by lateron July 20, 2010 at 22:40
At last, a really useful and constructive idea which would benefit a very large group of users in this country,would also help boost the tourism industry and be welcoming to responsible travellers from home and abroad.
With resonable pricing local authorities could cover the running costs and provide an incentive to stay in this country for holidays.

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dhutchy
Posted by dhutchy July 20, 2010 at 22:41
we have a beautiful country which is becoming increasingly difficult to get to visit the places that we would like to in our motorhomes.we got ours to holiday here because we became fed up with airports, delays etc but have now found the need to book for France for the freedom that offers us.Availibility here on sites is limited and if we wild camp we are subject to fines or tickets.We are passionate about spending the money here to support our own busineses but feel we are not wanted

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paulhag
Posted by paulhag July 20, 2010 at 22:50
Yes spot on, we are in a lose lose situation, we try to book on a caravan site the reply is fully booked or you must book seven days (and if you do get on one take out a second mortgage).
If we park wild we get fined or parking ticket! Come on british government pull your socks up and get up with modern times.

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maureenandtom
Posted by maureenandtom July 21, 2010 at 09:16
The country is, we're told, in dire straits financially. Has anyone tried to estimate how much money drains away from the country because motorhomers are discouraged from touring their home country and therefore encouraged to tour abroad where they are welcomed? Has anyone tried to estimate how much tourist income is lost because potential foreign tourists are discouraged from coming here? The amounts lost to this country must be immense.

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TonyJones
Posted by TonyJones July 21, 2010 at 09:31
As motorhomers who regularly travel to France and often to other "mainland" countries, every year we say to each other "Must see more of the UK." But every year we end up getting on the ferry, because when we do the arithmetic there's just no comparison.
We're not asking for "something for nothing." We're quite willing to pay a reasonable rate for what we need - a parking space, a water tap and a drain.
And we're not trying to holiday "on the cheap," or we wouldn't have spent thousands on our van. We never come back with any of our holiday budget left over, and we never will. It's just that we'd rather spend in on the attractions and businesses of the area we're in, than use it all up paying again (via sky-high campsite fees) for facilities we've already bought (in the van). Especially since most of those same campsites don't really WANT "one-nighters" like us.

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erneboy
Posted by erneboy July 21, 2010 at 09:32
An excellent idea, very well put. A few enlightened Councils have provided facilities, the majority seem uninterested or even hostile.

We spend very little time in the UK, where we feel unwanted, except to travel to the ports so that we can go to motorhome friendly Europe.

The UK is missing out on the chance to make money from this rapidly growing form of tourism. Very few people from mainland Europe choose to come to the UK in their motorhomes because they are aware of the lack of facilities.

Many of us do not want to stay in camp sites, we don't need all the facilities or want to pay for what we will not use. Camp site prices are generally only sensible for long stays which is not what we want to do. Motorhomers tend to be slightly older people usually touring without children and looking for a place to stay where they can go into a town or village for a meal and some sight seeing, Alan.

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Pfil32
Posted by Pfil32 July 21, 2010 at 09:56
I couldn't agree more with what has been said all ready. I have just come back from a 2 week holiday in France where we only stayed on a municipal campsite twice the rest of the time we used aires, some cost a couple of Euros but the rest were free. I go to France at least 3 times a year using these facilities and spending my cash there when if the right/same facilities were available in this country I would definately do my touring here as we have a wonderful country that at the moment is vertualy totally inacessable to motorhome owners unless you use the expensive campsites.

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charlie24
Posted by charlie24 July 21, 2010 at 10:19
I fully support this. Can we use this momentum to push through the various forums and lobby our MP's.

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Reg
Posted by Reg July 21, 2010 at 11:15
At last a bit of common sense coming out of central government. But convincing local government to conform, would be a difficult task.

It will encourage more folk to spend more in the UK and encourage those from Europe to also come and spend some Euros here.

Very good for the economy of the majority, except the campsite owners who overcharge their customers.

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johnthompson
Posted by johnthompson July 21, 2010 at 11:27
Campsite proprietors need not fear this suggestion as there are plenty of trailer caravans out there that need to use such sites. Many overseas campsite now cater for both trailer campers and these using Camping Cars.

The fact that UK sites are often full and turning away custom indicates this.

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adgrant
Posted by adgrant July 21, 2010 at 11:43
I fully back the previous comments. The law needs to change to reflect the current situation. France and Germany are motorhome friendly countries and make available Aires and Stelplatz. This then brings in much needed funds for shops and other businesses. As mentioned in an earlier post,Canterbury make available their Park & Ride for motorhomes. If this was adopted throughout the country, then more people would travel around this lovely country instaed of rushing to the ferry ports.

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tattytony
Posted by tattytony July 21, 2010 at 12:04
As a motorhome family with younger children I always rush for the docks as it is far less expensive than staying at the overcharged sites in the summer in the UK when I might only require one night but have to pay for two or three in the summer, with motorhome parking facilities in this country I am most likely stay and tour the UK, I would love this option as we are the sort to only stop one or two days at any one place then move to the next town, thus spending in Britain rather than European Countries.

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IanWagner
Posted by IanWagner July 21, 2010 at 12:11
I whole heartedly agree with this thread, Local Governments should provide areas for overnight parking for motorhomes, this service would bring in much needed visitors to all parts of England, Wales and Scotland, we would also benefit by having more European visitors spending their cash in our country.

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Bearhug
Posted by Bearhug July 21, 2010 at 12:46
With all the cheap ferries around, there is no incentive to stay in the UK. I would love to spend my holidays touring this green and pleasant land and I am sure that many Europeans would like to do the same. Instead, I head for Europe where I can park for free and spend my money in their local shops. Come on Local Authorities, start a revolution and be the first to make Motorhomes welcome in your town. I don't need much, just a place to park, a water tap and a chemical waste point. Simples! We are a great nation of very friendly people, lets encourage other Europeans to discover that when they visit our great country.

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Dusty_Rhoades
Posted by Dusty_Rhoades July 21, 2010 at 16:15
Well done, as is the case with many restictions they are outdated and reflect only percieved fears and concerns not actual problems. If I'm not welcome, I don't spend my money!

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iconnor
Posted by iconnor July 21, 2010 at 16:17
Agree wholeheartedly. Attract motorhomers to areas and you attract their money

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budy
Posted by budy July 21, 2010 at 17:21
all park and ride car parks should be used as aires for over night parking for motorhomes the people who run this country should listen to to the voters

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johnnerontheroad
Posted by johnnerontheroad July 21, 2010 at 17:24
Nothing more to say it has all been said, we need this NOW.

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Welwyn
Posted by Welwyn July 21, 2010 at 18:00
I don't have a motorhome, but see this as a very good idea.

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Wupert
Posted by Wupert July 21, 2010 at 18:33
Great idea

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JamesClarke
Posted by JamesClarke July 21, 2010 at 20:51
This is a long overdue reform - whereby the people of Britain can actually enjoy the freedom of the road and enjoy our countryside and coasts without having to fall foul to profiteers and advocates of restrictions (usually because they have a business which they want to promote such as Camp Sites) like local elected representatives.

As the posting says the French and Germans have realised that the home-tourist market is enormous and many communities depend on encouraging motor-caravan owners to stay a night or two and visit local restaurants, shops and attractions. Caravan Parks and Camp Sites are unsuited to Motor Caravans as they are located too remote from facilities (requiring a car to visit shops, pubs, restaurants attractions etc.).

Stop-overs in or close to towns and villages are what Motor-Caravanners require and as in most places under-utilised Public Car Parks would suit the simple act of removing prohibitive stricture and signs such as "no sleeping/cooking or overnight camping" is all that is required. Hay-on-Wye has seen the light in this regard.

The alternative is that we Motor-Caravanners will have to take our business and custom to place like France where we are welcomed with open arms. What a pity for Tourism UK especially in these recessionary times.

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adrianharman
Posted by adrianharman July 21, 2010 at 21:02
We have travelled extensively in France and the system works there. There is no reason why it should not work here. If the law allows councils to remove unwanted travellers and gypsies easily then they wouldn't be frightened about letting motorhomes stay overnight.For health reasons we are now touring England much more and would welcome a change in the law along the lines set out. We would then be able to spend money locally to the town or village near which we stay.

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christine1310
Posted by christine1310 July 21, 2010 at 22:20
As a motor-homer I totally agree. we are better provided for on the continent because they know motor-homers are not 'gypsies or travellers' but people who have spent a lot of money on their vans and spend money where they stay. The UK is missing out on this income. Many foreign motor-homers I have met abroad would love to visit the UK but are put off by a lack of overnight parking places.

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carolweaver
Posted by carolweaver July 21, 2010 at 23:19
Totally agree

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Alaxandar
Posted by Alaxandar July 22, 2010 at 15:24
Motorhomes use gas-guzzling engines, put more weight on the road surface, are difficult to overtake, usually unsightly unless hidden (because of the generally naff styling), You people whinge because the UK refuses to become more overcrowded.

Can't you get it into your collective conciousness that most of us would rather not see your unwieldy vehicles blocking country roads, filling the motorways, competing for spaces in motorway carparks.

Go to Europe. Go as far away as possible. The UK is not big enough for you and your foreign counterparts to fill with your fumes and your engine noises.

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downy8
Posted by downy8 July 23, 2010 at 19:44
Well overdue in my opinion, it would bring lots of money into the farming and local produce market, let alone local tourism.
Here here.

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Winnipeg
Posted by Winnipeg July 24, 2010 at 19:52
Great idea - agree and support

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RoyP
Posted by RoyP July 25, 2010 at 22:49
If more people would join the Motorcaravanners Club they would find that the club have been calling for these facilities for years. Log on to www.motorcaravanners.org.uk for details and give full support for this campaign.

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thegroves
Posted by thegroves July 26, 2010 at 17:15
We look so old fashioned and unfriendly compared to our European neighbours. It is about time that we abolished this out of date legislation. We are always attracted to a town or village on the continent that has an Aire or a Stellplatz. Dave and Peggy Groves

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Madcow
Posted by Madcow July 27, 2010 at 16:58
Hear hear! We need all the tourism we can get in this country - you very rarely see a foreign number plate on a motorhome here. Why do you think all motorhomers go abroad in their droves - because we are welcomed and catered for properly. With this lovely sunshine we have been having I for one would love to tour our beautiful country and spend my money here which after all would benefit everyone.

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mel65
Posted by mel65 July 27, 2010 at 18:01
Yes we need tourism and the money it brings.
Why is it most of Europe worked this out years ago
but we could still cache up.

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tonialca
Posted by tonialca July 28, 2010 at 04:04
Would love to motorhome more in this country but because of all the reasons quoted previously we spend our main holidays on the continent. There are many beautiful and interesting places we would love to visit in the UK but we find it very difficult to visit an area without pre booking a site many months in advance. This is not how we like to holiday. So I'm afraid it will be the continent everytime for us until the UK gets its act together.

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Barbary
Posted by Barbary July 29, 2010 at 13:48
The UK is missing out on a lot of tourism opportunities by forcing us 'locals' abroad and inhibiting our fellow europeans from coming here.

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sjbarker
Posted by sjbarker July 29, 2010 at 23:07
This would be such a good thing as we would like to tour the whole country without having to seek out remote campsites. At present some parts of the country have few certified sites and can often be full. Commercial sites would be too expensive for a prolonged trip.

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westbay
Posted by westbay July 30, 2010 at 11:48
Too many local authorities have outdated fears over motorhomes parking up for a night. All across Europe motorhomes are welcomed and simple facilities are provided for them – France makes the UK look backward and draconian. In the UK, our National Parks are positively neurotic about motorhomes. Near me, on Dartmoor, I can park up in a highly visible carpark, right up on the high moor and spend the whole day doing whatever I want – sleeping, cooking, sitting out in the sun etc. But if I was to head down a little, park in a nice out of the way carpark and try to spend a quiet night, the rangers would be on my case in an instant. Parking up a motorhome for the night IS NOT CAMPING. All of the EU recognises this why is the UK the odd one out?

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macozanne
Posted by macozanne July 30, 2010 at 19:27
The 1937 and 1960 acts are well overdue for reform. Local authorities need to get rid of their predudices and allow a more enlightened attitude to overnight parking in both caravans and motorhomes. It works in Scotland, so why not south of the border?

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BraveNewWorld
Posted by BraveNewWorld July 30, 2010 at 19:58
I had no idea that such ridiculous restrictions applied to motorhomes south of the border. As potential motorhome owner I wholeheartedly support this excellent idea.

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Alaxandar
Posted by Alaxandar August 01, 2010 at 12:50
Naff-looking gas-guzzlers, driven mainly by older people who should be made to have a driving test every year.

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coldstreamer
Posted by coldstreamer August 02, 2010 at 23:39
Having been involved with this concept for some time, we have found the biggest stumbling block is the major 'Camping' Clubs, they are totally against this idea, of course as they would be, its their living.
  The problem is many local authorities seek their advice and accept their word as gospel. In fact when chasing up requests from local council's, their response was, "You must consult with your Club HQ's, as though they represented every Camper.
This is not the case with overseas Clubs as they operate in a more open society.

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Bonehead
Posted by Bonehead August 04, 2010 at 18:12
I agree 100%. A very well presented case! Why can't we use some imagination in this country. If local councils & businesses combined to provide areas as they do in France, they would generate trade in their particular areas. We are so very far behind the French. I've drifted along the Spanish costas in my Motorhome for weeks on end without staying on campsites but using areas provided.
Little wonder that us Motor-Homers head straight across the channel and spend our money over there.

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johnthompson
Posted by johnthompson August 06, 2010 at 11:12
Things are happening:

NORTHERN IRELAND, CARRICKFERGUS:
The bourough council has installed a Euro-Relais bourne de service (aires) in a town centre carpark for motorhomes ..overnight permitted

DEVON, BARNSTABLE:
Railway station allows motorhomes overnight camping £2 per day £8 per week
Van and lorry park £1.50 for 24 hours

CORNWALL, TINTAGEL:
King Arthurs carpark allows overnight motorhomes next to KING ARTHURS public house £3

DEVON, TEIGNMOUTH:
Eastcliff carpark close to beach/town centre 2 nights only 6pm-9am free

SCOTTISH HIGHLANDS, POOLEWE:
Informal camping on a field on the road to Cove runs up the side of Loch Ewe a donation of £10 per week is requested

KENT, CANTERBURY:
Dover road park n ride (fenced off for 26 motorhomes)
water tap and drive over drain, toilets on site
£2 parking and return bus faires to city centre

Yorkshire, Guisborough:
Overnight parking in Car Park. Free. (no service point)

This shows it can be done.

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pennyb
Posted by pennyb August 07, 2010 at 19:08
That's very good news, perhaps when more councils see how well it works, more will follow suit!

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kenj
Posted by kenj August 09, 2010 at 19:01
This is a good idea,and long overdue,i had my 1st m/home built in 1935 and have always wild camped.

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roypf
Posted by roypf August 13, 2010 at 19:24
Devon and Cornwall would be an ideal area for having controlled overnight parking for motorhomes. The local economy would benefit greatly and I am sure the parking would be self funding and not be a net cost to the council.

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johnthompson
Posted by johnthompson August 19, 2010 at 15:19
Existing legislation under the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960 already exists, to allow local authorities to provide sites where caravans may be brought, whether for holidays or other temporary purposes or for use as permanent residences, and to manage the sites or lease them to some other person.

Part 1 – Caravan Sites
Provision of caravan sites by local authorities

24. - (1) A local authority shall have power within their area to provide sites where caravans may be brought, whether for caravans, for holidays or other temporary purposes or for use as permanent residences, and to manage the sites or lease them to some other person.

(2 ) A local authority shall have power to do anything appearing to them desirable in connection with the provision of such sites, and in particular -
(a) to acquire land which is in use as a caravan site, or which has been laid out as a caravan site, or
(b) to provide for the use of those occupying caravan sites any services or facilities for their health or convenience.

(4) A local authority may make available the services and facilities provided under this section for those who do not normally reside in the area of the local authority as freely as for those who do.
(5) A local authority shall, in the performance of their functions under this section, have power, where it appears to them that a caravan site or an additional caravan site is needed in their area, or that land which is in use as a caravan site should in the interests of the users of caravans be taken over by the local authority, to acquire land, or any interest in land, compulsorily.

Ii is either lack of knowledge of the powers that are currently available to them or simply that they cannot see any benefits in going outside of the current provision, that stops them from setting up Aires in their area.

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Peterry
Posted by Peterry August 20, 2010 at 14:27
I fully support the above suggestions to allow vehicles registered as Motor Caravans to use overnight camping facilities provided by Local Authorities in the UK.

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Wildman
Posted by Wildman August 21, 2010 at 14:24
The French have turned their country into a motorhomers paradise. Millions of pounds of revenue are disappearing abroad every year because of the lost freedoms in this country. The time has come to update the laws to take into accound the different needs of the leisure industry. Make the UK a place to holiday without restrictions, set up local authority aires and boost the local economy.

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mrjinks
Posted by mrjinks August 21, 2010 at 19:06
I would totally support this suggestion.This country is totally out of line with the rest of Europe and they have the right idea when catering for motorhomers.

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dgg18mlr
Posted by dgg18mlr August 21, 2010 at 19:41
Yes, this is an area where we need to catch up with the majority of European countries. It will encourage tourism and generate revenue for small communities.

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keithhep
Posted by keithhep August 21, 2010 at 21:36
Totally agree with all the above (but not with the guy calling himself Alexander) the reform of the law is urgently needed. Motorhomes are not caravans and the law makers should recognise the fact that they are very different.
As has been stated, all the UK is missing out on the business generated by motorhomers on their travels. In these times of austerity attracting any increase in business will I am sure be welcomed by local businesses

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emmbeedee
Posted by emmbeedee August 21, 2010 at 21:43
I wholeheartedly support this suggestion. I travel around the UK with my wife in our motorhome & we would love to stop overnight near the centre of towns or villages but are usually unable to do so. My wife is disabled through MS & can only walk very short distances, so uses a mobility buggy to get around. Usually, most existing sites are too far from the town or village centre for her buggy, so we are unable to visit. They are also very expensive which is an important consideration for pensioners like us.
Most existing sites, (Caravan Club, etc.) are remote from town centres. They are fine for caravanners who can use their towing vehicle for accessing local attractions, but are unsuitable for motorhomers. For this reason many motorhomers even resort to towing a small car behind their motorhome for local access. This would be unnecessary if suitable "aires" could be provided near to town & village centres.
The facilities in existing sites are generally more than is required by modern motorhome users, as these vehicles are completely self-contained, with showers & toilets on board. Consequently, all that is required in an "aire", as stated above, is a source of potable water & a disposal point for grey & black water. Electrical hook-up is not required, although of course if it was provided, at an additional cost, it would be a bonus.

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barnybg
Posted by barnybg August 22, 2010 at 08:51
In total agreement,probably breaking EU laws and freedom of movement etc,and i think money lost to small comunities,mainly by the fact of rushed laws set up in the 80'/90' against 'travellers' and as such 'they' have more rights than 'homeowners'.
Many MOTORHOMERS are retired or have that 'little extra to spend',the vehicles on average range in cost from £20,000 to £50,000,the people that use them are not larger louts,boy racers,new age or travellers,but law abiding citizens who prefer to visit many places rather than book and fly to some far of shore and be surrounded by young people making a noise and enjoying theirselves,as they do.
Surely National parks,forstry commisions,natural beauty sites,museums and the like could (maybe as a test case) be opened to MOTORHOMERS,as we are completely different to caravanners/campers, as mentioned we are completely self contained.
We need somewhere safe,close to shops or conveniences so we can spend our money and visit the village,town or local area,if near the coast,maybe close to the sea,rural near an attraction.
A small fee or 'key' could be provided to all motorhomers who register and possibly pay a small 'club fee',each key would have a personal number allocated,this could be used to 'unlock' the water and waste system,when needed ?This could also be incorporated to foreign campervans,if cheap enough say £10 per key,also a limited time of perhaps 3/4 days at any one site ? on a big ticket displayed in window,cost kept to a minimum or Free,as to intise more users of these facilities.
Motorhoming has turned into big business,sadly most monies are not collected or spent in the UK,its going abroad,not for the want of British or foreign motorhomers,but the fact the UK is anti-social to them,with nowhere to stop,without harassment by officials or yobs.
A motorhomer abroad..........

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simba8
Posted by simba8 August 22, 2010 at 16:38
We spend our holidays in France where they have “Aires” and Germany where they have Stellplatz.
Its about time that we caught up with the rest of Europe and welcomed the motorhome's into our towns and cities. We need tourism and the money it brings.
Why is it most of Europe worked this out years ago. So come on UK get with it and let us have a system like France and Germany otherwise we will continue to spend our money abroad.

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LordThornber
Posted by LordThornber August 23, 2010 at 11:24
We're in the dark ages in the UK with regard to stopovers/aires call them what you like.

I 100% support any action required to see legislative change to enable a network to be developed.

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JMFernan
Posted by JMFernan August 25, 2010 at 17:24
I'm Spanish, and I have been travelling around England for 25 days with my motorhome. We had got a list of "possible" places to park,like P+R in several towns, but we couldn't overnight because it was forbidden or there was a barrier. There were also barriers or prohibitons in supermarkets or shopping centres. What a pity! We spent at least one hour every day looking for a place to park (in the street,of course). It's a wonderful country, and I'm sure that creating "airs" like in France or Germany would improve the turism and would help unknown villages for most of the people. Take care!

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rod_vw
Posted by rod_vw August 25, 2010 at 18:17
The dark ages are still with us in the UK with regard to Motorhomes. Our laws have not been updated to reflect the requirements of the users of modern Motorhomes. All that we need is a safe parking place with water supply, grey and black waste disposal plus solid waste bins if possible.

Touring France and Germany gives a wonderful liberal experience, Motorhomers are welcomed in towns and villages and their needs well catered for at minimal or nil cost. We are not pushed onto regimented caravan sites away from habitation but welcomed into the community on small dedicated Aires.

Please Britain let us tour responsibly and economically and spend our money in local communities.

I write this from the beautifun new Aire de Parking on the outskirts of Neussargues in the Auvergene region of France where there is a Bourne supplying water and electricity for a nominal fee, a single toilet in a small new building and the necessary waste disposal facilities. Even the Wi-Fi that I am using is provided by the local authority to help encourage tourists to the area.

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bigfish
Posted by bigfish August 26, 2010 at 13:49
Tottally agree with these comments, we have Camped (tents),
had Caravans(towed) and now enjoy our Motorhome.

Like all responcible Motorhomers, we have and do "Wild camp" and fully enjoy this as part of our free time, we have used Aires on the continent, and are often asked why we in the UK do not have a similar system.

As has been said we are self contained for all of our needs,and only require somewhere to top up with water, and of load our waste. The benefits to local communities are numerous, with visitors spending in shops and on leisure activities.

As for cost to the councils, i would put money on it that well run and popular Aires would and do make a profit, which can be put back into the areas where they are sited.

Anyway please read and consider these concerns, and hopefully act appropriately, and in a 21st Centurary manor with proper respect for our thoughts.

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terryb
Posted by terryb August 26, 2010 at 14:28
On the all important point of supporting your own comunity and country.

My wife and I have just spent the best of 5 weeks in France where we felt welcomed to thier towns cities and somtimes homes.

We spent fairly freely as it was our vacation and disposed of some 2000 euro on Fuel, Food and Eating out.

This is a severe loss to the uk economy as a whole.

And yes we would Holiday in the UK with the facillities as described above!

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ElectricWarrior
Posted by ElectricWarrior August 29, 2010 at 20:13
As with Terry B above, my partner and I have spent a month touring France mainly using Aires at little or no cost and the very occasional campsite (so we can do our laundry), we have spent in the region of 2500 Euro, we have in the past travelled in Spain, Switzerland, Italy, Germany and Belgium, we will continue to do so as we feel our motorhome is unwelcome in England & Wales although not so in my native Scotland.

We are both able to take 6 weeks holiday every summer and we would like to be able to see more of our own country than we already have but sadly it's far easier to cross the channel. I'm not saying we would spend every summer in the UK but we would probably spend far more of our time here.

At the same time a more welcoming approach may lead to greater numbers of European motorhomers spending their euros here.

I would add that the vast majority of motorhomers in my experience are mature and responsible adults with a good amount of disposable income and plenty of spare time in which to spend it.

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RogerJardine
Posted by RogerJardine August 30, 2010 at 18:48
We really must bring our system into line with our European neighbours. They should be able to expect the same facilities here as we get in their country.
My wife and I love to wild camp, and why not. It's our country and we relish the opportunity to live "in" it when we can.

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ironman
Posted by ironman August 31, 2010 at 21:10
An excellent idea that would cost relatively little to impliment,as most facilities are already in place. But in my experience local councils would want to place too many restrictions,(health and safety - the latest red tape!) but I certainly hope that it happens

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